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Port House abbreviations

Post by PhilW » 14:51 Tue 28 May 2013

We currently have a "TPF abbreviations" thread here which includes all sorts of abbreviations (people, sites, terms) and a smattering of some of the Port Houses. I suggest it would be an improvement to have a separate post in the reference section of this site providing a comprehensive list of TPF-approved abbreviations for the Port Houses (for use on placemats, posts, any indexes etc). A separate post could then list other TPF abbreviations - perhaps also in the reference section, with the existing thread used for discussion of additions and changes as currently in the conversations area.

(edit: the above having been agreed, the determined list update on a regular basis is provided below).


The following abbreviations are used in the current tasting notes alphabetic index, as shown below.
  • A = J. H. Andresen
    BV = Barão de Vilar
    Br = Barros
    BBR = Berry Brothers & Rudd Selection
    BI = Borges & Irmão
    Bb = Broadbent
    Bs = Bulas
    B = Burmester
    BA = Burmester Quinta do Arnozelo
    BN = Butler Nephew
    = Cálem
    CáF = Cálem Quinta da Foz
    CM = Castro Mello
    Ch = Churchill
    ChAA = Churchill Quinta da Agua Alta
    ChG = Churchill Quinta da Gricha
    Ck = Cockburn
    CkC = Cockburn Quinta dos Canais
    Cn = Constantino
    Cs = Quinta do Crasto
    Cr = Croft
    CrR = Croft Quinta da Roêda
    CrS = Croft Quinta da Roêda Sērikos
    Cz = Cruz
    Dl = Dalva
    Df = Delaforce
    DfC = Delaforce Quinta da Corte
    Dx = Dixon (& Morgan)
    D = Dow
    DB = Dow Quinta do Bomfim
    DSR = Dow Quinta da Senhora da Ribeira
    DG = Duff Gordon
    Du = Duorum
    Dv = Quinta da Devesa
    Fs = Feist
    Fr = Ferreira
    FrL = Ferreira Quinta da Leda
    FrP = Ferreira Quinta do Porto
    FrS = Ferreira Quinta do Seixo
    Fd = Feuerheerd
    F = Fonseca
    FG = Fonseca Guimaraens
    FP = Fonseca Quinta do Panascal
    GB = Gonzalez Byass
    MG = M. Gonzalez
    GC = Gould Campbell
    G = Graham
    GL = Graham’s Quinta das Lages
    GM = Graham’s (Quinta dos) Malvedos
    GST = Graham’s The Stone Terraces
    Gd = Guedes
    Ho = Hooper
    H = Hutcheson
    In = Quinta do Infantado
    Jv = Quinta do Javali
    K = Kopke
    KL = Kopke Quinta São Luiz
    Km = Kranemann
    Kr = (Wiese &) Krohn
    Lc = Quinta das Liceiras
    Lm = Quinta das Lamelas
    Mk = Mackenzie
    Mt = Martha’s
    Mz = Martinez
    My = Maynard
    MyO = Maynard Organic
    Ms = Messias
    MsC = Messias Quinta do Cachão
    Mg = Morgan
    Ni = Niepoort
    NiB = Niepoort Bioma
    NM = Noble & Murat
    Nv = Quinta Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo
    N = Quinta do Noval
    NN = Quinta do Noval Nacional
    NS = Quinta do Noval Silval
    O = Offley
    OBV = Offley Boa Vista
    Os = Osborne
    Ps = Quinta do Passadouro
    Pg = Quinta do Pego
    Pi = Pintas
    = Poças
    Pt = Quinta do Portal
    Pt+ = Quinta do Portal+
    PtM = Portal Quinta dos Muros
    QH = Quarles Harris
    Qv = Quevedo
    RP = Ramos Pinto
    RPE = Ramos Pinto Quinta de Ervamoira
    RV = Rebello Valente
    Rc = Porto Rocha
    Ra = Quinta da Romaneira
    Rm = Romariz
    Rr = Quinta de Roriz
    Rs = Quinta de la Rosa
    RO = Royal Oporto
    ROC = Royal Oporto Quinta das Carvalhas
    ROCo = Royal Oporto Quinta do Corval
    RCV = Real Companhia Velha
    RVn = Real Vinicola
    Rz = Rozès
    S = Sandeman
    SV = Sandeman Vau
    SS = Sandeman Quinta do Seixo
    SJ = A Pinto dos Santos Júnior
    Sq = Quinta da Sequeira
    Sb = Quinta do Sibio
    Sk = Skeffington
    SW = Smith Woodhouse
    SWM = Smith Woodhouse Madalena
    Sz = Porto Souza
    T = Taylor
    TSQ = Taylor Special Quinta
    TTF = Taylor Quinta de Terra Feita
    TV = Taylor Quinta de Vargellas
    TVVV = Taylor Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha
    Td = Quinta do Tedo
    TdS = Quinta do Tedo Savedre
    TH = Tuke Holdsworth
    Ud = O-Port-Unidade
    Vl = Quinta do Vallado
    Vr = Porto Valriz
    Vz = Quinta de Ventozelo
    V = Quinta do Vesuvio
    VC = Capela da Quinta do Vesuvio
    VDM = Quinta Vale Dona Maria
    VM = Quinta de Vale Meão
    VS = Vieira de Sousa
    VZ = Van Zeller
    W = Warre
    WC = Warre Quinta da Cavadinha


    For reference, since I would like to use these abbreviations elsewhere but also keep consistency, I am currently using [Unk] for Unknowns.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by Glenn E. » 00:54 Wed 29 May 2013

+1

One can find said abbreviations in the sorted indexes, but having a sticky post in the reference section would be very useful.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by DRT » 22:57 Wed 29 May 2013

What we need is a pedant with time on his hands to make this happen.

Can anyone think of who that might be?
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Port House abbreviations

Post by djewesbury » 14:02 Thu 30 May 2013

DRT wrote:What we need is a pedant with time on his hands to make this happen.

Can anyone think of who that might be?
I can hear you all shouting his name, and I'm in Italy.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by PhilW » 07:33 Fri 31 May 2013

DRT wrote:What we need is a pedant with time on his hands to make this happen.

Can anyone think of who that might be?
If accepted as a sensible idea, I'd be happy to create the initial list based on current understanding; if insufficient pedantry I could then be corrected and abused as needed. I would be equally happy for another suitable individual to perform the task in the first place.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by PhilW » 10:30 Sat 01 Jun 2013

The following abbreviations are used ...

<snip> - list moved to first post in thread.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by AHB » 12:43 Tue 04 Jun 2013

I've been giving some thought the matter of abbreviations and how we cope with general declarations, lesser declarations, the growth of single quinta wines and also the changing of ownership of quintas.

It seems to me that the only way we could cope was to have a structure that essentially went:
Part 1; Part 2; vintage

Part 1 would identify the shipper, if a shipper was relevant.
Part 2 would identify the quinta, if the port was sourced from a single quinta (or vineyard)
The vintage could be abbreviated, but this could lead to confusion whether we were referring to Taylor 1811, 1911 or 2011.

On this basis you could quickly have a set of rules that allowed flexibility. Consider the example of Vargellas sourced wines:
In 1912, Taylor made a vintage port, a Vargellas single quinta port and a Vargellas single quinta port from the old vines (OK, so they didn't make the latter but just bear with me for the example).
The abbreviations could be:
T 1912
T Vg 1912
T VgVV 1912

This naming structure also allows flexibility so that prior to Taylor Fladgate owning Vargellas, you would have had "Fe Vg 1878", this being the Vargellas 1878 produced under the Ferreira ownership.

If at a point in the future Vargellas become independently owned, the wines would just be identified as Vg 2050.

This type of naming convention would allow a quick search to find all wines produced by a particular shipper or from a particular quinta, or a combination of the two.

It would create some headaches as there would have to be no duplications between quinta abbreviations and shipper abbreviations but it would also help with differentiating between some of the quirks like Quinta do Noval Silval (NoS) and Quinta do Noval Quinta do Silval (No Si). A search on "No" would pull out both wines but still allow a more refined search to identify only one of the two.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by jdaw1 » 12:51 Tue 04 Jun 2013

One of the desiderata is brevity. ‟TV96” works a lot of the time. FrVg1878 (or FeVg1878) is a much smaller proportion of my diet.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by AHB » 13:15 Tue 04 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:One of the desiderata is brevity. ‟TV96” works a lot of the time. FrVg1878 (or FeVg1878) is a much smaller proportion of my diet.
True - it is a balance between completeness, brevity and clarity.

If we are just looking for a commonly understood abbreviation then TV96 mostly works.

If we're looking for something which in years to come can be searched and found and understood with clarity then TV96 will generally work, but will leave room for confusion - Taylor Vargellas 1896 or 1996?

Perhaps a quick solution is to abbreviate only where there is potential confusion? Thus TV96 would be TV1996 or TV1896 but FeV78 would be just that? Or perhaps abbreviate 20th century vintages and those where there is no confusion - TV96, TV1896 and FeV78

But life is too short for me to become too worried about this. If we develop a common standard, I will use it; otherwise I will use common sense.
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Post by djewesbury » 16:06 Tue 04 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:One of the desiderata is brevity. ‟TV96” works a lot of the time. FrVg1878 (or FeVg1878) is a much smaller proportion of my diet.
Also, we have to allow for user having a certain amount of brain at their disposal. Perhaps not the end of the world if they are presented with a choice between 1878 and 1978 on searching for a particular wine. They will have very little to do in order to find the notes on the tipple by which they are confronted at that moment. Of course, an infallible system that is ready for any eventuality is always good. Good luck with that one...
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Post by jdaw1 » 16:27 Tue 04 Jun 2013

Perhaps what is wanted is a system with AHB-style longer abbreviations, but also with concise versions to be used only where context disambiguates.

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Post by djewesbury » 16:38 Tue 04 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:Perhaps what is wanted is a system with AHB-style longer abbreviations, but also with concise versions to be used only where context disambiguates.
thoroughly sensible. +1
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by PhilW » 11:24 Fri 07 Jun 2013

Agree with all of AHB's post, plus the benefit of brevity/simplicity.
jdaw1 wrote:Perhaps what is wanted is a system with AHB-style longer abbreviations, but also with concise versions to be used only where context disambiguates.
Agree, though I would suggest the additional rule that the Shipper should never be abbreviated.

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Post by jdaw1 » 15:51 Fri 07 Jun 2013

PhilW wrote:Agree, though I would suggest the additional rule that the Shipper should never be abbreviated.
So, for Churchill Agua Alta, you want ChAA rather than CAA. Presumably you give greater weight to internal consistency than to brevity.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by PhilW » 17:21 Fri 07 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
PhilW wrote:Agree, though I would suggest the additional rule that the Shipper should never be abbreviated.
So, for Churchill Agua Alta, you want ChAA rather than CAA. Presumably you give greater weight to internal consistency than to brevity.
I would also accept ChA for brevity (thought ChAA seems more natural), but yes, very strong dislike for CAA.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by Glenn E. » 17:44 Fri 07 Jun 2013

PhilW wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
PhilW wrote:Agree, though I would suggest the additional rule that the Shipper should never be abbreviated.
So, for Churchill Agua Alta, you want ChAA rather than CAA. Presumably you give greater weight to internal consistency than to brevity.
I would also accept ChA for brevity (thought ChAA seems more natural), but yes, very strong dislike for CAA.
Agreed. CAA would be a Cockburn property.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by PhilW » 20:53 Sun 31 Jul 2016

I would make the following changes:

Ck = Cockburn
VC = Vesuvio Capela

and would suggest:

ChAA Churchill Quinta da Agua Alta
DSR Dow Quinta da Senhora da Ribeira
KSL = Kopke Quinta São Luiz

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by idj123 » 21:00 Sun 31 Jul 2016

Agree with Phil regarding the Ck and VC. Is there any reason why Krohn isn't Kr?

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Post by jdaw1 » 21:09 Sun 31 Jul 2016

PhilW wrote:Ck = Cockburn
Oops, I started from an old list. Agreed.
PhilW wrote:VC = Vesuvio Capela
idj123 wrote:Agree with Phil regarding the Ck and VC.
Clarity versus pedantry. I’m happy with either. VC it is.
PhilW wrote:ChAA Churchill Quinta da Agua Alta
I prefer the brevity of ChA, which is still unique.
PhilW wrote:DSR Dow Quinta da Senhora da Ribeira
Senhora feels to me to be a low-information word, hence my preferring the DB-like DR. Other votes?
PhilW wrote:KSL = Kopke Quinta São Luiz
São is definitely a low-information word. Yes yes, obviously Luiz’s mother was pleased with the promotion, but for our purposes, low-information. And KL traditional: 27 June 2009, 23 Oct 2009, 16 March 2010, 28 Sep 2010 (which also has Kh for Krohn), and 20 Jan 2013.
idj123 wrote:Is there any reason why Krohn isn't Kr?
None except being traditional. Though WK also has merit.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by Glenn E. » 23:05 Sun 31 Jul 2016

Additional suggestions:

Cockburn Quinta dos Canais should be CkC, not CC
Croft Quinta da Roeda should be CrR, not CR
Messias Quinta do Cachão should be MsC, not MC.

General rule: keep the Producer abbreviation intact when adding a qualifier. (This has been previously suggested by Phil.)

DG bothers me, as it appears to be a Dow Quinta. I do not see a viable alternative. There are numerous others that bother me for similar reasons, with equally lacking alternatives. GB and GC, for example. (GL and GM are Graham estates, but GB and GC aren't?) As further information, BN doesn't bother me as much because Burmester doesn't have any SQVP bottlings, so the issue for me is mostly confined to cases that might cause confusion.
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Post by Glenn E. » 23:10 Sun 31 Jul 2016

Question: do you distinguish between Graham Malvedos and Graham Quinta dos Malvedos?
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Post by jdaw1 » 23:46 Sun 31 Jul 2016

Glenn E. wrote:Cockburn Quinta dos Canais should be CkC, not CC
Croft Quinta da Roeda should be CrR, not CR
Messias Quinta do Cachão should be MsC, not MC.

General rule: keep the Producer abbreviation intact when adding a qualifier.
General rule: brevity good. The rules conflict. There is precedent for CR = Croft Roeda (14 May 2010, 2 Mar 2012, 15 Oct 2012 (which has Cr70 and CR70 side-by-side), and 16 June 2014); and for MC = Cachão (2 Mar 2012 and 12 Oct 2013 (pages 284, 374, 378, 383, and others) ).
Glenn E. wrote:DG bothers me, as it appears to be a Dow Quinta. I do not see a viable alternative. There are numerous others that bother me for similar reasons, with equally lacking alternatives. GB and GC, for example. (GL and GM are Graham estates, but GB and GC aren't?) As further information, BN doesn't bother me as much because Burmester doesn't have any SQVP bottlings, so the issue for me is mostly confined to cases that might cause confusion.
The only logical solution is Dw = Dow, and that because Glenn gets confused by Duff Gordon. Not going there.
Glenn E. wrote:Question: do you distinguish between Graham Malvedos and Graham Quinta dos Malvedos?
The abbreviations are meant to cope as well as concision allows with almost all relevant cases. Are there any years in which there are both Graham Malvedos and Graham Quinta dos Malvedos? No. Good.

Quinta de Vale Meão: VM or ? Perhaps I prefer the latter.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by DRT » 04:58 Mon 01 Aug 2016

I would suggest avoiding the use of squiggles. (Calem, Pocas, Vale Meao). These abbreviations are intended to make life simple. Don't condemn your readers to a life sentence of searching for squiggles that don't obviously exist on their keyboard.

I agree with everything JDAW has said in response to other suggestions.
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