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Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 23:45 Mon 16 May 2016
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:“Poor nose and very pleasant wine. Will last, but really also is drinkable now”?
Yes.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 23:58 Mon 16 May 2016
by Andy Velebil
Now or Wow at the end? One needs to work on their Port consumption writing skills.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 08:29 Tue 17 May 2016
by PhilW
Yes, bad (hot considered, but bad looks right to me).
Yes, now (and the rest) looks correct to me.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 22:59 Fri 20 May 2016
by JWEW
"Poor nose and very pleasant" does not seem to make too much sense.
Could the first word perhaps be good?
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 23:30 Fri 20 May 2016
by jdaw1
JWEW wrote:"Poor nose and very pleasant" does not seem to make too much sense.
Could the first word perhaps be good?
That makes sense. I had not seen that at all.
Pleased I asked.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 21:34 Tue 27 Sep 2016
by jdaw1
Richard who?
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 10:51 Thu 29 Sep 2016
by Alex Bridgeman
Liss
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 11:26 Thu 29 Sep 2016
by LGTrotter
I want to go with Truss. Titter ye not.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 13:01 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by Alex Bridgeman
A slight variation on a theme, but if anyone can help to decipher the text on this wax seal, it would be greatly appreciated. JDAW's sleep is rather disturbed as a result of his inability to clearly imagine what it says.
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Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 16:59 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by PopulusTremula
Alas, i am stumped. If only jdaw, before dreaming about opening the bottle, had also imagined a pencil and drawing paper with which to transfer the embossed details, however faint, onto the paper.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 19:14 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by DRT
I have checked back through my extensive database of tasting notes from the past four weeks and am thoroughly convinced that it says "1896 Port (probably Dow) Bottled by This Tastes Bloody Gorgeous & Co."
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 21:05 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by jdaw1
Is the topmost character an upside-down T? If yes, then the image should be rotated (and, while I’m at it, cropped).
That clearly reveals — dramatic drum roll — “Limited”. So it was bottled by a merchant, not at a home.
Did that help?
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 22:17 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by DRT
"Ltd." Hmmm? Was that designation widely used in the late 19th century?
Can't say I've ever noticed it on a capsule of any age.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 22:45 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by flash_uk
I think the "Limited" is written in full, rather than abbreviated to "Ltd".
Looking at the photo JDAW posted, to the right of limited, and facing inwards to the centre (as opposed to the direction of Limited, which is outwards), I think I can see
---C-ETY
which could be Society.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 23:04 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by DRT
I wasn't clear. "Limited" or "Ltd" - I can't recall seeing either on a capsule.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 23:11 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by flash_uk
DRT wrote:I wasn't clear. "Limited" or "Ltd" - I can't recall seeing either on a capsule.
Ah, got it.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 23:14 Mon 17 Oct 2016
by jdaw1
Whole word, all capitals: LIMITED
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 07:46 Tue 18 Oct 2016
by PhilW
The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.
My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place
Anything on the (crumbling) cork?
I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 18:28 Tue 18 Oct 2016
by Alex Bridgeman
PhilW wrote:The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.
My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place
Anything on the (crumbling) cork?
I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming
Sadly, when JDAW described the cork of his dreams to me it was shapely and attractive but unbranded.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 19:01 Tue 18 Oct 2016
by flash_uk
PhilW wrote:The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.
My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place
Anything on the (crumbling) cork?
I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming
Yes I also so CO--OP.
Why not THE CO OPERATIVE WINE SOCIETY LIMITED? Wikipedia notes that the Co Operative Wine Society Limited (now The Wine Society) started out with products from Portugal...
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 21:37 Tue 18 Oct 2016
by jdaw1
1896s sold by the Wine Society: Cockburn (first listed in the catalogue dated February 1899); Croft (June 1907); Dow (March 1908); Martinez (March 1921); Offley (March 1909); Quinta do Roriz (March 1914); Rebello Valente (February 1899); Smith Woodhouse (July 1915); and Taylor (March 1912).
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 17:43 Thu 07 Sep 2017
by jdaw1
The first word in red?
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 11:09 Fri 08 Sep 2017
by PhilW
Not enough information; is there any further writing in the same hand to help?
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Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 20:15 Fri 08 Sep 2017
by jdaw1
A horizontal of still-young 1887s: alas, no tasting notes.
Re: Handwriting questions
Posted: 20:29 Fri 08 Sep 2017
by PhilW
Looks like the rest of the writing is in a different hand, unfortunately
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