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Handwriting questions

Posted: 00:42 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by jdaw1
Please could readers sufficiently skilled in the graphological arts say what is the word before ‟112”.

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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 00:46 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by DRT
There is a "Rua Cima do Muro" in Oporto. Perhaps connected?

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 00:53 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by jdaw1
In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.

Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 00:54 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 00:55 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
This was 1921. Many streets have been re-named (or newly-named) since 1921 using the names of local, national or global celebrities. Mr W Cima do Muro might have left a longer impression on Oporto than he had planned.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 00:58 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by djewesbury
But "Cima do Muro" means "fence". That is not anybody's name.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 00:58 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.
By George you've got it!

The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co". "Cima do Muro, 112 Oporto" is the firms address.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 01:01 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.
By George you've got it!

The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co". "Cima do Muro, 112 Oporto" is the firms address.
Mystery solved. This is a better quiz.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 01:02 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by DRT
[url=http://users.telenet.be/piet.vercaempst/Reizen/Documenten/Porto1.htm]Here[/url] someone wrote:3. The so-called ‟Ferdinand” wall began in 1336, in the time of D. Afonso IV, and it was finished in 1734, during the reign of D. Fernando; hence its name. Within the route we are taking, the wall (that came from the Virtudes and running parallel to the Escadas do Caminho Novo ”“ Caminho Novo Staircase), stretched all the way to the Porta Nova or Nobre (disappeared in 1872), round the area of the Muro dos Bacalhoeiros and continued through the riverside to the Guindais, climbing up towards the Postigo de Sto. António do Penedo (which would be replaced by the so-called Porta do Sol in 1767/69).

Apart from the Porta da Ribeira (disappeared in 1821), there were several other postigos (peepholes) in the mentioned perimeter: Postigo dos Banhos, Postigo do Pereira or da Lingueta, Postigo do Carvão, Postigo do Peixe, Postigo do Pelourinho, Postigo da Forca, Postigo da Madeira or da Lada, Postigo da Areia or dos Tanoeiros.

There was a time when the people’s function of defending the wall became unimportant, and as of that moment houses began to be built back to back with the wall. The road that led to these houses began, thus, to be called Cima do Muro da Ribeira (on top of the Ribeira wall), later obtaining the name of Rua de Cima do Muro (Street of the Top of the Wall). This is where one finds the house linked to the image of Gomes de Sá, which is located among the interesting groups of houses overlooking the Muro (Wall).

One must also refer the existence of the Cais da Estiva (Estiva Quay) to the west, which was the city’s main anchorage until the 19th century and served the traffic of the Customhouse

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 01:04 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:This is a better quiz.
Agreed.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 01:16 Sat 19 Oct 2013
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co".
You have found the key. Well done team.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 22:07 Wed 24 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
Another reading problem. The camera failed to focus properly on a page — my responsibility is not denied.

Several photographs follow. The first is as-original. Subsequent pictures have had brightness and contrast changed, in the hope that might help.

The line probably starts “Three Dozen Bottles of”, mostly in small capitals. But what’s the Port?

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(I have a guess, but want it independently verified.)

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 22:10 Wed 24 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
It's either Dolamore or Delaforce. Do you know what the year is likely to be?

Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 22:11 Wed 24 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
1929?

EDIT: or 1919…

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 22:17 Wed 24 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Delaforce. Definitely.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 22:23 Wed 24 Dec 2014
by PhilW
Agree, definitely Delaforce, probably 1919, can't make out the three small marks under Delaforce, could be "de la C'te" but that's just a guess, could be many other things also.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 22:36 Wed 24 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
I believe those marks are a price in LSD.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 01:02 Thu 25 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:(I have a guess, but want it independently verified.)
My guess was Delaforce 1919, partly because the next parcel of lots was halves of Df19. So we agree.

Thank you for helping.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 10:02 Thu 25 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
A pleasure. Happy Xmas.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 12:57 Sun 04 Jan 2015
by jdaw1
Another question for our resident handwriting experts.

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An unknown hand perhaps wrote:Pale col. Rather brown rather than tawny. Slightly spirity nose, Harsh spirity & powerful. Plenty of bite. ??.

Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 13:01 Sun 04 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
The last part looks like it may be 'do', as in 'ditto', but that doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem to be a number (score).

EDIT: "Unless it's 10." (RAB)

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 13:31 Sun 04 Jan 2015
by flash_uk
Pale col.
Rather brown rather than tawny
Slightly spirity nose, harsh, spirit and powerful
Plenty of bite

So I agree.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 13:34 Sun 04 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
But the question concerns the last two marks.

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 13:37 Sun 04 Jan 2015
by AW77
Perhaps it's just a typo that was caused by the haste in which tasting notes sometimes are written. I would suggest 'Plenty of bite to[o]' (with the last 'o' simply missing).

Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Posted: 13:40 Sun 04 Jan 2015
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:
An unknown hand perhaps wrote:Pale col. Rather brown rather than tawny. Slightly spirity nose, Harsh spirity & powerful. Plenty of bite. ??.
Minor correction - I think it says "Rather browny rather than tawny.". The final word looks like "do" or possibly "no" but difficult to tell; am assuming the cropped area to its immediate left is not of assistance in this regard?