Handwriting questions

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 23:45 Mon 16 May 2016

jdaw1 wrote:“Poor nose and very pleasant wine. Will last, but really also is drinkable now”?
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Yes.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by Andy Velebil » 23:58 Mon 16 May 2016

Now or Wow at the end? One needs to work on their Port consumption writing skills. :lol:

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by PhilW » 08:29 Tue 17 May 2016

Yes, bad (hot considered, but bad looks right to me).
Yes, now (and the rest) looks correct to me.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by JWEW » 22:59 Fri 20 May 2016

"Poor nose and very pleasant" does not seem to make too much sense.

Could the first word perhaps be good?

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 23:30 Fri 20 May 2016

JWEW wrote:"Poor nose and very pleasant" does not seem to make too much sense.

Could the first word perhaps be good?
That makes sense. I had not seen that at all.

Pleased I asked.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 21:34 Tue 27 Sep 2016

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Richard who?

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by AHB » 10:51 Thu 29 Sep 2016

Liss
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by LGTrotter » 11:26 Thu 29 Sep 2016

I want to go with Truss. Titter ye not.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by AHB » 13:01 Mon 17 Oct 2016

A slight variation on a theme, but if anyone can help to decipher the text on this wax seal, it would be greatly appreciated. JDAW's sleep is rather disturbed as a result of his inability to clearly imagine what it says.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by PopulusTremula » 16:59 Mon 17 Oct 2016

Alas, i am stumped. If only jdaw, before dreaming about opening the bottle, had also imagined a pencil and drawing paper with which to transfer the embossed details, however faint, onto the paper.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 19:14 Mon 17 Oct 2016

I have checked back through my extensive database of tasting notes from the past four weeks and am thoroughly convinced that it says "1896 Port (probably Dow) Bottled by This Tastes Bloody Gorgeous & Co."
"The first duty of Port is to be red"

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 21:05 Mon 17 Oct 2016

Is the topmost character an upside-down T? If yes, then the image should be rotated (and, while I’m at it, cropped).
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That clearly reveals — dramatic drum roll — “Limited”. So it was bottled by a merchant, not at a home.

Did that help?

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 22:17 Mon 17 Oct 2016

"Ltd." Hmmm? Was that designation widely used in the late 19th century?

Can't say I've ever noticed it on a capsule of any age.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by flash_uk » 22:45 Mon 17 Oct 2016

I think the "Limited" is written in full, rather than abbreviated to "Ltd".

Looking at the photo JDAW posted, to the right of limited, and facing inwards to the centre (as opposed to the direction of Limited, which is outwards), I think I can see
---C-ETY
which could be Society.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 23:04 Mon 17 Oct 2016

I wasn't clear. "Limited" or "Ltd" - I can't recall seeing either on a capsule.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by flash_uk » 23:11 Mon 17 Oct 2016

DRT wrote:I wasn't clear. "Limited" or "Ltd" - I can't recall seeing either on a capsule.
Ah, got it.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 23:14 Mon 17 Oct 2016

Whole word, all capitals: LIMITED

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by PhilW » 07:46 Tue 18 Oct 2016

The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.

My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place :) Anything on the (crumbling) cork?

I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming :crying:

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by AHB » 18:28 Tue 18 Oct 2016

PhilW wrote:The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.

My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place :) Anything on the (crumbling) cork?

I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming :crying:
Sadly, when JDAW described the cork of his dreams to me it was shapely and attractive but unbranded.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by flash_uk » 19:01 Tue 18 Oct 2016

PhilW wrote:The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.

My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place :) Anything on the (crumbling) cork?

I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming :crying:
Yes I also so CO--OP.
Why not THE CO OPERATIVE WINE SOCIETY LIMITED? Wikipedia notes that the Co Operative Wine Society Limited (now The Wine Society) started out with products from Portugal...

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 21:37 Tue 18 Oct 2016

1896s sold by the Wine Society: Cockburn (first listed in the catalogue dated February 1899); Croft (June 1907); Dow (March 1908); Martinez (March 1921); Offley (March 1909); Quinta do Roriz (March 1914); Rebello Valente (February 1899); Smith Woodhouse (July 1915); and Taylor (March 1912).

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 17:43 Thu 07 Sep 2017

The first word in red?
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by PhilW » 11:09 Fri 08 Sep 2017

Not enough information; is there any further writing in the same hand to help?

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 20:15 Fri 08 Sep 2017

A horizontal of still-young 1887s: alas, no tasting notes.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by PhilW » 20:29 Fri 08 Sep 2017

Looks like the rest of the writing is in a different hand, unfortunately

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