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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

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Is there a graphologists forum where we could ask if "No, no, you are all wrong and I'm right because he writes the same as me" is admissible evidence?

I am struggling to see the word soft.
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The "f" in "soft" is rather scribbled but that's what it is. I am telling you, no other explanation is even credible.
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Mg60: “fwd” or “good”? Though I prefer the first, my preference is very slight, so trumped by the passion of the Daniel-Rob opinion. It must be “good”.
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DRT wrote:I am struggling to see the word soft.
Agreed. But I can see it after a struggle, but I can’t see anything better, with or without struggle.
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djewesbury wrote:The "f" in "soft" is rather scribbled but that's what it is. I am telling you, no other explanation is even credible.
It's like arguing with the Flat Earth Society.
Ah, I see. So if something is scribbled beyond recognition we can just make it up and declare it unchallengeable. Got it.

In which case, I think the last line says "& with an extremely long finish which hints of baked Alaska". It's rather scribbled, but that is what it says.
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(Aside: don’t make too much of an off-topic, or it’ll be moved. Warbucks’ favourite dinner was “Texas grapefruit, Virginia ham, Idaho potatoes, Wisconsin cheese, Washington apples and baked Alaska.”)
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

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jdaw1 wrote:Thank you. It seems people generally read it as I did. Next up, from a catalogue of 22 July 1976, Morgan 1950:
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and Morgan 1960:
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DRT wrote:In which case, I think the last line says "& with an extremely long finish which hints of baked Alaska". It's rather scribbled, but that is what it says.
Can you make a useful suggestion for the last line that you think more plausible than “soft”?
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jdaw1 wrote:Mg60: “fwd” or “good”? Though I prefer the first, my preference is very slight, so trumped by the passion of the Daniel-Rob opinion. It must be “good”.
Ignoring the PhilW post? - definitely "good" (not "fwd"). Also note extremely similar "good" (uncontested) in first comment vs "good" in second (contested).
I'm unconvinced by "& straw" as there appears to be a definite period after the (not)"&", so "q. strong" looks more likely to me, though unlikely given the preceeding line; the second "col" does look different to the first, since the tail from the (maybe)'o' comes from a different place, clearly written differently, between first and second lines, which is odd for the same word; I don't have a better suggestion for alternative on the second "col" however (only thing I can think of would be "rich, q. strong od" (odour) but I'm unconvinced myself).
I'm persuaded by "fiery" I think;
I think the earlier word is "murky" (rather than "musky" or "mucky"), but agree it is unclear.
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PhilW wrote:Ignoring the PhilW post? - definitely "good" (not "fwd"). Also note extremely similar "good" (uncontested) in first comment vs "good" in second (contested).
Bad post by me, for which I apologise. Not for any offence possibly caused — shrugs — but because I rewarded the loudest and the most recent, ignoring he who spoke more quietly and earlier.

Other views on “q[uite] strong”?
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The word strong just doesn't fit with the other words. Could it be "q strange col"?
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It cannot be strange. This person does not leave letters out.
It cannot be fiery. It is going.
JDAW, please post another example of this person's handwriting that shows this person's initial f.
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It cannot be strange. This person does not leave letters out.
It cannot be fiery. It is going.
JDAW, please post another example of this person's handwriting that shows this person's initial f.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

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I think the second one goes:

Med (medium) pale col (colour)
Rich q. (quite) strong ... (can't make out the last word but I don't think it's colour again).
Slight (this is a wild guess)
V ford (forward?) classy (feel quite confident about this word).
Strong (?)

Or what I have suggested as 'slight' could be 'depth'.
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LGTrotter wrote:classy
I can’t see that. Maybe because I’m drinking Croft LBV 2004, but I can’t see classy.
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It's a capital 'c' with a long looping 'l' after it. A bit of a squiggle with an 's' in it and finish with a 'y'.
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LGTrotter wrote:It's a capital 'c' with a long looping 'l' after it. A bit of a squiggle with an 's' in it and finish with a 'y'.
Some of that is plausible,. but you have squeezed an ‘ass’ out of an ‘s’.

And, damn!, I now have to re-read the Hitch-hikers’ Guide to find the quotation I need.
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I have given you the correct answer. Please carry on discussing this for as long as you like.
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djewesbury wrote:I have given you the correct answer. Please carry on discussing this for as long as you like.
Boo-hiss, gerroff! Away with determinists.
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LGTrotter wrote:It's a capital 'c' with a long looping 'l' after it. A bit of a squiggle with an 's' in it and finish with a 'y'.
Some of that is plausible,. but you have squeezed an ‘ass’ out of an ‘s’.

And, damn!, I now have to re-read the Hitch-hikers’ Guide to find the quotation I need.
As I say it is a squiggle, in a margin, probably without anything solid under the paper, of course it is less than clear. Except to those who can still see clearly even after Daniel has muddied the well of truth with the stick of uncertainty.
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After 'rich q. strong ...' I think the missing word could be id. Rare indeed to find such a psychologically minded port taster.
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I think all the words could be 'rubbish'. Are you lot still arguing about this? I refer the honourable gentlemen to the answer I have some hours ago.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

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Only turning up to this discussion now. Goodness me there has been a lot of huffing and puffing! Daniel is correct, those are "g"s. For the second "col", how about "ol." for olfactory.
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LGTrotter wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I have given you the correct answer. Please carry on discussing this for as long as you like.
Boo-hiss, gerroff!
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Mike, don't spoil the fun, let the boys have their guessing games. This could go on for weeks. Sit back and enjoy it.
For the record, I now think it says, "Noval Nacional 31, tired and fizzy, calendula in frost pockets".
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jdaw1 wrote:Having read the suggestions my new best understandings are:
• Mg50 — “V pale col. Musty. Spirity rather hot. Fiery one but good”.
• Mg60 — “Med pale col. Rich & straw col. Light. V fwd easy & soft”. Of this, the word I think most open to challenge is the “soft”.
Mg50 seems reasonable.
Mg60 reads (to me) "Med pale col. Rich q. strong col. xxxxx. v good easy & xxxx" and I assume "q." stands for "quite."

I really can't decipher the words I've represented using x other than the number of letters. Unless h[i|e]p[n|h]r and fo[?]v make sense to someone else. The ? in the second word simply doesn't follow proper strokes for any letter that I can recall, cursive or print.
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Still going? Excellent. I think I can see the words "hopelessness" and "impenetrable darkness".
Julian, had I you and the entries in front of me I could convince you of my reading by tracing over it and reproducing it with a pen, thus demonstrating the plausibility (nay, incontrovertibility) of the penstrokes that I can clearly see. Not fiery, not fwd, none of the other imaginative wrong things that various deludees have advocated here.
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