Handwriting questions

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:25 Mon 17 Aug 2015

On what date did the wine merchant deliver this Port?

Is it “4 Jan 1911” (which was a Wednesday)?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 15:37 Mon 17 Aug 2015

Are there any immediately preceding or subsequent dates in the ledger?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 15:37 Mon 17 Aug 2015

And is this definitely a date?
Is it possible to include more of the surrounding text as context?

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:57 Mon 17 Aug 2015

Reload previous image. And

Yes, definitely a date.

Post by **PhilW** » 17:13 Mon 17 Aug 2015

Agree on "4 Jan 1911"

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 17:16 Mon 17 Aug 2015

Yes. Seeing his looped Js and the rounded nature of his other characters confirms this.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:22 Mon 17 Aug 2015

Thank you team.

Post by **flash_uk** » 17:31 Mon 17 Aug 2015

And Jan makes sense given the chronological sequencing - it immediately follows 1914, and is then followed by date entries which look like March and April.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 17:42 Mon 17 Aug 2015

flash_uk wrote:And Jan makes sense given the chronological sequencing - it immediately follows 1914, and is then followed by date entries which look like March and April.

You're looking at the wrong image.

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:49 Thu 27 Aug 2015

Who is the second partner in the wine merchant selling the Martinez 1904?

Not scaled, brightened, added contrast:

Could it be (a surprisingly French) “frère”? Or “friere”, with lower-case ‘f’?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:54 Thu 27 Aug 2015

& Grieve.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 18:54 Thu 27 Aug 2015

Look at the similarity of the start of the unknown word to the two occurrences of "the" earlier in the photo. I would see the unknown word as being something such as THRIEVE

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:56 Thu 27 Aug 2015

St. James's St.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:58 Thu 27 Aug 2015

Thrieve? Are you smoking crack? That's an 'and' sign (reduced ampersand) and a G.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:01 Thu 27 Aug 2015

djewesbury wrote:& Grieve.

Interesting.

A [url=http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD/GBR/2938/CCCC02/S/CCCC02/S/53a/21]reference in a Cambridge library entitled “Memorandum re Hamilton & Grieve of St James St”[/url] wrote:'Grieve is a Trinity man, friend of Bullough). Basil Arthur Firebrace Grieve, d. 1917.

And this picture came from Trinity College.

Edit: your researching the name was faster.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:16 Thu 27 Aug 2015

djewesbury wrote:Thrieve? Are you smoking crack? That's an 'and' sign (reduced ampersand) and a G.

No. Skunk. Goes better with Dow '91.

Post by **DRT** » 21:39 Thu 27 Aug 2015

AHB wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Thrieve? Are you smoking crack? That's an 'and' sign (reduced ampersand) and a G.
No. Skunk. Goes better with Dow '91.

I completely agree.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:06 Thu 27 Aug 2015

I should point out that it was my keen, orthographic detective's eye which revealed the answer. Google followed after, as corroboration.

Post by **DRT** » 23:27 Thu 27 Aug 2015

djewesbury wrote:I should point out that it was my keen, orthographic detective's eye which revealed the answer. Google followed after, as corroboration.

I knew that. You are clearly feeling insecure in needing to point it out. Man up.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:39 Thu 27 Aug 2015

I just thought I should advertise my good points. Like the Americans do.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:50 Tue 01 Sep 2015

Small image:

Link to large image, with original colouration.

“Sealed G. B. Clarke & Co”? “… & Son”? Other?

(Nothing else in this hand: no further clues.)

Post by **DRT** » 23:05 Tue 01 Sep 2015

& Co.

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:47 Sat 12 Sep 2015

Whence comes this Croft 1834?

(Second picture has added brightness and contrast, and colour completely de-saturated.)

Post by **PhilW** » 07:15 Sat 12 Sep 2015

Bin No. 58 Port
1875 April 13 Bought by ?. C. ???? Esq
of ?? ?????? "1834"
Thompson and Crofts at 75/-
cost with expenses 100/-

I can't decipher the buyer's name or seller's name properly, the latter looks something like "Wm. Tilliffe" (shortened Wilhelm?) but I have no confidence in that reading. Does look like purchase of "1834 Thompson & Crofts" though, not just Croft.

Post by **jdaw1** » 10:21 Sat 12 Sep 2015

My question asked “whence”. You have answered everything else (though I think the no-expenses cost was 95/-). And Croft was formerly known as Thompson & Croft.

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