Handwriting questions
Handwriting questions
Please could readers sufficiently skilled in the graphological arts say what is the word before ‟112”.
Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
There is a "Rua Cima do Muro" in Oporto. Perhaps connected?
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
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Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
This was 1921. Many streets have been re-named (or newly-named) since 1921 using the names of local, national or global celebrities. Mr W Cima do Muro might have left a longer impression on Oporto than he had planned.jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
But "Cima do Muro" means "fence". That is not anybody's name.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
By George you've got it!djewesbury wrote:But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co". "Cima do Muro, 112 Oporto" is the firms address.
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Mystery solved. This is a better quiz.DRT wrote:By George you've got it!djewesbury wrote:But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co". "Cima do Muro, 112 Oporto" is the firms address.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
[url=http://users.telenet.be/piet.vercaempst/Reizen/Documenten/Porto1.htm]Here[/url] someone wrote:3. The so-called ‟Ferdinand” wall began in 1336, in the time of D. Afonso IV, and it was finished in 1734, during the reign of D. Fernando; hence its name. Within the route we are taking, the wall (that came from the Virtudes and running parallel to the Escadas do Caminho Novo ”“ Caminho Novo Staircase), stretched all the way to the Porta Nova or Nobre (disappeared in 1872), round the area of the Muro dos Bacalhoeiros and continued through the riverside to the Guindais, climbing up towards the Postigo de Sto. António do Penedo (which would be replaced by the so-called Porta do Sol in 1767/69).
Apart from the Porta da Ribeira (disappeared in 1821), there were several other postigos (peepholes) in the mentioned perimeter: Postigo dos Banhos, Postigo do Pereira or da Lingueta, Postigo do Carvão, Postigo do Peixe, Postigo do Pelourinho, Postigo da Forca, Postigo da Madeira or da Lada, Postigo da Areia or dos Tanoeiros.
There was a time when the people’s function of defending the wall became unimportant, and as of that moment houses began to be built back to back with the wall. The road that led to these houses began, thus, to be called Cima do Muro da Ribeira (on top of the Ribeira wall), later obtaining the name of Rua de Cima do Muro (Street of the Top of the Wall). This is where one finds the house linked to the image of Gomes de Sá, which is located among the interesting groups of houses overlooking the Muro (Wall).
One must also refer the existence of the Cais da Estiva (Estiva Quay) to the west, which was the city’s main anchorage until the 19th century and served the traffic of the Customhouse
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
Agreed.djewesbury wrote:This is a better quiz.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
You have found the key. Well done team.DRT wrote:The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co".
Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
Another reading problem. The camera failed to focus properly on a page — my responsibility is not denied.
Several photographs follow. The first is as-original. Subsequent pictures have had brightness and contrast changed, in the hope that might help.
The line probably starts “Three Dozen Bottles of”, mostly in small capitals. But what’s the Port?
(I have a guess, but want it independently verified.)
Several photographs follow. The first is as-original. Subsequent pictures have had brightness and contrast changed, in the hope that might help.
The line probably starts “Three Dozen Bottles of”, mostly in small capitals. But what’s the Port?
(I have a guess, but want it independently verified.)
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
It's either Dolamore or Delaforce. Do you know what the year is likely to be?
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Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
1929?
EDIT: or 1919…
EDIT: or 1919…
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Delaforce. Definitely.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
Agree, definitely Delaforce, probably 1919, can't make out the three small marks under Delaforce, could be "de la C'te" but that's just a guess, could be many other things also.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
I believe those marks are a price in LSD.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
My guess was Delaforce 1919, partly because the next parcel of lots was halves of Df19. So we agree.jdaw1 wrote:(I have a guess, but want it independently verified.)
Thank you for helping.
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A pleasure. Happy Xmas.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
Another question for our resident handwriting experts.
An unknown hand perhaps wrote:Pale col. Rather brown rather than tawny. Slightly spirity nose, Harsh spirity & powerful. Plenty of bite. ??.
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Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
The last part looks like it may be 'do', as in 'ditto', but that doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem to be a number (score).
EDIT: "Unless it's 10." (RAB)
EDIT: "Unless it's 10." (RAB)
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
Pale col.
Rather brown rather than tawny
Slightly spirity nose, harsh, spirit and powerful
Plenty of bite
So I agree.
Rather brown rather than tawny
Slightly spirity nose, harsh, spirit and powerful
Plenty of bite
So I agree.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
But the question concerns the last two marks.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
Perhaps it's just a typo that was caused by the haste in which tasting notes sometimes are written. I would suggest 'Plenty of bite to[o]' (with the last 'o' simply missing).
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting
Minor correction - I think it says "Rather browny rather than tawny.". The final word looks like "do" or possibly "no" but difficult to tell; am assuming the cropped area to its immediate left is not of assistance in this regard?jdaw1 wrote:An unknown hand perhaps wrote:Pale col. Rather brown rather than tawny. Slightly spirity nose, Harsh spirity & powerful. Plenty of bite. ??.