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Post by jdaw1 » 00:42 Sat 19 Oct 2013

Please could readers sufficiently skilled in the graphological arts say what is the word before ‟112”.

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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by DRT » 00:46 Sat 19 Oct 2013

There is a "Rua Cima do Muro" in Oporto. Perhaps connected?
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by jdaw1 » 00:53 Sat 19 Oct 2013

In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.

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Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by djewesbury » 00:54 Sat 19 Oct 2013

jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by DRT » 00:55 Sat 19 Oct 2013

jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
This was 1921. Many streets have been re-named (or newly-named) since 1921 using the names of local, national or global celebrities. Mr W Cima do Muro might have left a longer impression on Oporto than he had planned.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by djewesbury » 00:58 Sat 19 Oct 2013

But "Cima do Muro" means "fence". That is not anybody's name.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by DRT » 00:58 Sat 19 Oct 2013

djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.
By George you've got it!

The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co". "Cima do Muro, 112 Oporto" is the firms address.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by djewesbury » 01:01 Sat 19 Oct 2013

DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:In the context of ‟Antonio J Da Silva & W !”, I’d expect that what comes next is the remainder of the name of a person, rather than the name of a street.
But it looks like an address. "112 Porto" seems to refer to a premises number or similar; a continental style of putting building number after street name or something; or an early postcode. I would have plumped for Muro also.
By George you've got it!

The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co". "Cima do Muro, 112 Oporto" is the firms address.
Mystery solved. This is a better quiz.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by DRT » 01:02 Sat 19 Oct 2013

[url=http://users.telenet.be/piet.vercaempst/Reizen/Documenten/Porto1.htm]Here[/url] someone wrote:3. The so-called ‟Ferdinand” wall began in 1336, in the time of D. Afonso IV, and it was finished in 1734, during the reign of D. Fernando; hence its name. Within the route we are taking, the wall (that came from the Virtudes and running parallel to the Escadas do Caminho Novo ”“ Caminho Novo Staircase), stretched all the way to the Porta Nova or Nobre (disappeared in 1872), round the area of the Muro dos Bacalhoeiros and continued through the riverside to the Guindais, climbing up towards the Postigo de Sto. António do Penedo (which would be replaced by the so-called Porta do Sol in 1767/69).

Apart from the Porta da Ribeira (disappeared in 1821), there were several other postigos (peepholes) in the mentioned perimeter: Postigo dos Banhos, Postigo do Pereira or da Lingueta, Postigo do Carvão, Postigo do Peixe, Postigo do Pelourinho, Postigo da Forca, Postigo da Madeira or da Lada, Postigo da Areia or dos Tanoeiros.

There was a time when the people’s function of defending the wall became unimportant, and as of that moment houses began to be built back to back with the wall. The road that led to these houses began, thus, to be called Cima do Muro da Ribeira (on top of the Ribeira wall), later obtaining the name of Rua de Cima do Muro (Street of the Top of the Wall). This is where one finds the house linked to the image of Gomes de Sá, which is located among the interesting groups of houses overlooking the Muro (Wall).

One must also refer the existence of the Cais da Estiva (Estiva Quay) to the west, which was the city’s main anchorage until the 19th century and served the traffic of the Customhouse
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Post by DRT » 01:04 Sat 19 Oct 2013

djewesbury wrote:This is a better quiz.
Agreed.
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Post by jdaw1 » 01:16 Sat 19 Oct 2013

DRT wrote:The "W" is "Co", as in "A da Silva & Co".
You have found the key. Well done team.

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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by jdaw1 » 22:07 Wed 24 Dec 2014

Another reading problem. The camera failed to focus properly on a page — my responsibility is not denied.

Several photographs follow. The first is as-original. Subsequent pictures have had brightness and contrast changed, in the hope that might help.

The line probably starts “Three Dozen Bottles of”, mostly in small capitals. But what’s the Port?

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(I have a guess, but want it independently verified.)

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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by djewesbury » 22:10 Wed 24 Dec 2014

It's either Dolamore or Delaforce. Do you know what the year is likely to be?
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Post by djewesbury » 22:11 Wed 24 Dec 2014

1929?

EDIT: or 1919…
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Post by djewesbury » 22:17 Wed 24 Dec 2014

Delaforce. Definitely.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by PhilW » 22:23 Wed 24 Dec 2014

Agree, definitely Delaforce, probably 1919, can't make out the three small marks under Delaforce, could be "de la C'te" but that's just a guess, could be many other things also.

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Post by djewesbury » 22:36 Wed 24 Dec 2014

I believe those marks are a price in LSD.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by jdaw1 » 01:02 Thu 25 Dec 2014

jdaw1 wrote:(I have a guess, but want it independently verified.)
My guess was Delaforce 1919, partly because the next parcel of lots was halves of Df19. So we agree.

Thank you for helping.

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Post by djewesbury » 10:02 Thu 25 Dec 2014

A pleasure. Happy Xmas.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by jdaw1 » 12:57 Sun 04 Jan 2015

Another question for our resident handwriting experts.

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An unknown hand perhaps wrote:Pale col. Rather brown rather than tawny. Slightly spirity nose, Harsh spirity & powerful. Plenty of bite. ??.

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Post by djewesbury » 13:01 Sun 04 Jan 2015

The last part looks like it may be 'do', as in 'ditto', but that doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem to be a number (score).

EDIT: "Unless it's 10." (RAB)
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by flash_uk » 13:31 Sun 04 Jan 2015

Pale col.
Rather brown rather than tawny
Slightly spirity nose, harsh, spirit and powerful
Plenty of bite

So I agree.

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Post by djewesbury » 13:34 Sun 04 Jan 2015

But the question concerns the last two marks.
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by AW77 » 13:37 Sun 04 Jan 2015

Perhaps it's just a typo that was caused by the haste in which tasting notes sometimes are written. I would suggest 'Plenty of bite to[o]' (with the last 'o' simply missing).
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Re: Quint. do Noval 1919: a question of handwriting

Post by PhilW » 13:40 Sun 04 Jan 2015

jdaw1 wrote:
An unknown hand perhaps wrote:Pale col. Rather brown rather than tawny. Slightly spirity nose, Harsh spirity & powerful. Plenty of bite. ??.
Minor correction - I think it says "Rather browny rather than tawny.". The final word looks like "do" or possibly "no" but difficult to tell; am assuming the cropped area to its immediate left is not of assistance in this regard?

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