Ah, Peaches Bernhardt, Sarah's much less talented and, fortunately, edible half-sister.jdaw1 wrote:The Worshipful Company of Gardeners of London, Ladies’ Banquet at Grocers’ Hall, Tuesday 13th March 1928.djewesbury wrote:Bernhardt?
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Serving suggestion: with Noval ’87.djewesbury wrote:fortunately, edible
Were the Maids honoured by being eaten?
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Was he right? Should we throw away our over the hill wines as spent passions?
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To return briefly to the question of the age; ie should we have drunk up our 1847 port by 1923, I see that the late great George Saintsbury said it was over and done by 1917. That is a good advocate on the side of Ms Sayers. I should think Andre Simon is now feeling pretty silly for saying it was drinking well in 1933.
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Oh my GOD. You are a port sleuth. What about the Dow 1878... When was that at its best?LGTrotter wrote:To return briefly to the question of the age; ie should we have drunk up our 1847 port by 1923, I see that the late great George Saintsbury said it was over and done by 1917. That is a good advocate on the side of Ms Sayers. I should think Andre Simon is now feeling pretty silly for saying it was drinking well in 1933.
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Hold your last case and I will get back to you.djewesbury wrote:Oh my GOD. You are a port sleuth. What about the Dow 1878... When was that at its best?LGTrotter wrote:To return briefly to the question of the age; ie should we have drunk up our 1847 port by 1923, I see that the late great George Saintsbury said it was over and done by 1917. That is a good advocate on the side of Ms Sayers. I should think Andre Simon is now feeling pretty silly for saying it was drinking well in 1933.
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And Saintsbury produces a remarkably similar tasting note to Sayers. Compare; 'Truly enough the '47 port was a dead thing; the merest ghost of its old flame and flavour hung about it', with; 'When it was sixty years old and little but a memory, or at least a suggestion'. I think I should write a short monograph for the Dororthy L Sayers society.LGTrotter wrote:To return briefly to the question of the age; ie should we have drunk up our 1847 port by 1923, I see that the late great George Saintsbury said it was over and done by 1917. That is a good advocate on the side of Ms Sayers. I should think Andre Simon is now feeling pretty silly for saying it was drinking well in 1933.
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There was a ’47 Club at the House of Commons, comprising members born that year, who would meet for port. Somewhere I have more information, should it be important.
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Surely we shouldn't just take Sainstbury's and Simon's word for this? Should we not try the 1847 for ourselves to judge whether it is dead or whether it has life yet?LGTrotter wrote:And Saintsbury produces a remarkably similar tasting note to Sayers. Compare; 'Truly enough the '47 port was a dead thing; the merest ghost of its old flame and flavour hung about it', with; 'When it was sixty years old and little but a memory, or at least a suggestion'. I think I should write a short monograph for the Dororthy L Sayers society.LGTrotter wrote:To return briefly to the question of the age; ie should we have drunk up our 1847 port by 1923, I see that the late great George Saintsbury said it was over and done by 1917. That is a good advocate on the side of Ms Sayers. I should think Andre Simon is now feeling pretty silly for saying it was drinking well in 1933.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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If you want an 1847 Horizontal then start a thread in the appropriate place. I’m in, but would have to adopt.AHB wrote:Surely we shouldn't just take Sainstbury's and Simon's word for this? Should we not try the 1847 for ourselves to judge whether it is dead or whether it has life yet?
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The only note so far is from Mr Broadbent. In the late sixties/early seventies it was still going strong. This is not the last word as I have some other sources to consult.djewesbury wrote: What about the Dow 1878... When was that at its best?
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I have just ordered a copy of Grimpil's Retrogress after stumbling across that website whilst googling something else.
I will report back.
I will report back.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Not having visited one of our offlines yet, LGTrotter has missed a port reference in the works of Miss Sayers, of which he is otherwise the undisputed master.
In Strong Poison, Lord Peter Wimsey has planted a spy in the office of Mr Norman Urquhart, solicitor. Miss Murchison, Wimsey's plant, is picking the lock of a deed box, having stayed late after work. But she realises she can be seen from the street, the office having no blinds at the window.
In Strong Poison, Lord Peter Wimsey has planted a spy in the office of Mr Norman Urquhart, solicitor. Miss Murchison, Wimsey's plant, is picking the lock of a deed box, having stayed late after work. But she realises she can be seen from the street, the office having no blinds at the window.
You're quite all right, Miss Murchison. The sturdy form is DRT emerging from the Bung Hole, where he was enquiring after his missing decanting funnel.Dorothy L. Sayers wrote: … under the glare of the electric light, her movements were as visible to anybody in the street as though she stood on a lighted stage […] Moreover, if a policeman should pass by, would he not be able to recognise pick-locks a hundred yards away? She peered out again. Was it her agitated fancy, or was that a sturdy form in dark blue emerging from Hand Court?
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Sturdy? Surely a well formed man moving with the ease and grace of a tiger would have put me more in mind of DRT? Svelte was the word I was searching for.
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Yes yes. Of course.
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Messrs. Christie, Manson & Woods, on 23rd May 1874, sold “The Cellar of Wines of Algernon Perkins, Esq., Deceased, Late of Hanworth Park and Harley Street”. Lots 16 to 24 totalled almost 26 “Dozens of Port (Beachcroft and Wilson), bottled 1855, black seal”, at prices from 64/- to 72/- per dozen.jdaw1 wrote:Seal colours were not widely recorded at that time. However, the Worshipful Company of Fishmongers’ stock list of January 1876, includes 4 dozen and 11 of ‟Beachcroft” 1847, ‟Green Seal”, purchased in 1875.
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Of course, perhaps Beachcroft was a BOB for Taylor, and ’47 would have been rather young in ’55.
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I have been reading 'A matter of taste; a history of wine drinking in Britain' by Jon Hurley. It is the first wine book with a chapter on port that I can't find on the 'books about port' website. It is readable and and scholarly enough without being turgid. I bet the bloke who runs the website would rate it three stars, same as everything else.
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… 'and literature'?jdaw1 wrote:Messrs. Christie, Manson & Woods, on 23rd May 1874, sold “The Cellar of Wines of Algernon Perkins, Esq., Deceased, Late of Hanworth Park and Harley Street”. Lots 16 to 24 totalled almost 26 “Dozens of Port (Beachcroft and Wilson), bottled 1855, black seal”, at prices from 64/- to 72/- per dozen.jdaw1 wrote:Seal colours were not widely recorded at that time. However, the Worshipful Company of Fishmongers’ stock list of January 1876, includes 4 dozen and 11 of ‟Beachcroft” 1847, ‟Green Seal”, purchased in 1875.
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Of course, perhaps Beachcroft was a BOB for Taylor, and ’47 would have been rather young in ’55.
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And you waited how long to make this point?djewesbury wrote:… 'and literature'?
I have found a brief reference to port in Candide;
'Pangloss was in the middle of his sentence when the officer nodded to his henchmen, who was pouring him out a glass of port wine.'
But then, so little consideration is given to the rebuffing of Liebnitz's philosophy on I am not surprised it went unremarked until now.
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Owen it was only your erudite revival of the thread that alerted me to its earlier abuse. So you see, you have only yourself to thank. Now I must go looking for references to port in Charles B.
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I think has to deal with Leibniz first.LGTrotter wrote: But then, so little consideration is given to the rebuffing of Liebnitz's philosophy on I am not surprised it went unremarked until now.
The Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt know thy Port
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Bukowski? You are in a dark place.djewesbury wrote:Owen it was only your erudite revival of the thread that alerted me to its earlier abuse. So you see, you have only yourself to thank. Now I must go looking for references to port in Charles B.
I wondered if you were out there, tried any 1540 Steinwien tonight?AW77 wrote:I think has to deal with Leibniz first.
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I bet Bukowski drank more port than Baudelaire. Baudelaire probably only drank Tawny.
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“That's the problem with drinking port, I thought, as I poured myself a drink of port. If something bad happens you drink port in an attempt to forget; if something good happens you drink port in order to celebrate; and if nothing happens you drink port to make something happen.”
Adapted from― Charles Bukowski, Women
Adapted from― Charles Bukowski, Women
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LGTrotter wrote:“That's the problem with drinking port, I thought, as I poured myself a drink of port. If something bad happens you drink port in an attempt to forget; if something good happens you drink port in order to celebrate; and if nothing happens you drink port to make something happen.”
Adapted from― Charles Bukowski, Women
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