Samples bottles, round two

[Glenn E.]

I have several HDPE water bottles from various runs. I have never noticed a flavor from them, or even a smell for that matter. They seem pretty inert to me.

Still, however, no help regarding alcohol.

#2 (HDPE), #4 (LDPE), and #5 (PP) recycling symbols in the US have been approved as not leaching chemicals into water. #7 (polycarbonate) can leach BPA and should not be used for long-term potable water storage.

[jdaw1]

Very happy to contribute to a resupply order!

[jdaw1]

So I phoned Ampulla, who directed me to www.borealisgroup.com/pdf/chemical-resi ... dpe-ld.pdf. Page 8 of that says that 40% ethanol, in high-density (last two columns), at 20°C, is ‟S”, which the best score, equalling ‟Satisfactory”. At 60° the score was ‟L” = ‟Limited”: it is unclear whether that refers to the evidence or the performance.

Then I spoke to one of Ampulla’s technical people, who said that ‟Angus Distillers ship vodka and whisky all over the world in HDPE”. Which is good enough for me. (Is the modern Shipper’s Pipe really made of plastic? Sigh.)

[djewesbury]

I see interest from: DRT, JDAW, PW, BMHR, and me. JDAW asks (by PM) whether I wish to request a proportion of the order that represents the future port-drinking potential of the island of Ireland; but the most obvious distribution, currently, is 50 each. Does anybody require more, or fewer, than this?

[jdaw1]

I see interest from: DRT

There might be such interest, but it wasn’t clearly expressed.

Does anybody require more, or fewer, than this?

I’m confident that most of the people in your list want ‘some’, probably defined to mean ‟ideally at least a dozen, but not lots, subject to which whatever is easiest for the organiser”. So whether the All-Ireland Co-ordinator wants his ‘share’ of 50, or wants >50 but ≤190, the others would split the rest.

How many do you want? Are you buying for yourself, or for your current and future Ireland port chums?

Failing cogent objection, I’ll order tonight.

[djewesbury]

I'll take 100 if that doesn't inconvenience anybody else.

[jdaw1]

So the current score is 100 for DJ; 50 for each of BMHW PW JDAW.

I'll take 100 if that doesn't inconvenience anybody else.

It won’t. Others will want a dozen to a score, but will take more as part of a team effort. Indeed, if any are feeling robbed of their ‘share’ of 62½, thirteen can be transferred from me.

[DRT]

I see interest from: DRT

There might be such interest, but it wasn’t clearly expressed.

I have around three dozen of the originals that are rarely used. But I am happy to take a share of the 150 destined for Britain if it softens the blow on team finances.

[jdaw1]

I have around three dozen of the originals that are rarely used. But I am happy to take a share of the 150 destined for Britain if it softens the blow on team finances.

The blow is very small. Your need is very small. You’re out.

[jdaw1]

Ordered, for £53.89 including delivery. Will come within a week.

[PhilW]

Thank you, 50 is good.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Drat. I've only just read this thread. I could have done with a dozen or two. My supply of the old style bottles is dwindling slowly as I "lend" them to others on occasion but rarely have them returned.

Never mind. If there are any spare I will take some, otherwise I will just have to use Ben's breast milk bags when I finally run out of sample bottles.

[djewesbury]

Alex, I'm happy to relinquish some of Ireland's birthright in this instance..! Would 25 do you?

[Alex Bridgeman]

Alex, I'm happy to relinquish some of Ireland's birthright in this instance..! Would 25 do you?

25 would be more than adequate. Thank you.

[jdaw1]

Daniel: have the 100 you requested. Alex: 25+ available, no problem.

[jdaw1]

They have arrived. How many do people want?
• 100 for Daniel;
• 25 for Alex;
• 25 for Ben [added after later post];
• 50 for Phil [added after later post];
• leftovers for me, however many that is [seemingly 50, or maybe 41].

Phil and Ben: forty? Fewer? Fifty? More? [Edited as question answered.]

Anybody else want ‘a few’?

[jdaw1]

They have arrived.

‟They” = 241 bottles and 93 lids. I phoned and Ampulla knew that lids were missing. More coming, apparently.

[benread]

They have arrived. How many do people want?
• 100 for Daniel;
• 25 for Alex;
• leftovers for me, however many that is.

Phil and Ben: forty? Fewer? Fifty? More?

Anybody else want ‘a few’?

25 would be plenty for me, but let me know what my fair share of £'s is and if that equates to a few more than 25 then I am happy to take and store them for team use, or let another deserving soul have a few extra.

[PhilW]

They have arrived. How many do people want?
Phil and Ben: forty? Fewer? Fifty? More?

So the current score is 100 for DJ; 50 for each of BMHW PW JDAW.

Thank you, 50 is good.

[jdaw1]

FYI, the new pots are slightly smaller than the old. The old pots have a protruding ridge, just beneath the thread than holds on the lid. New pot to the brim is the same volume as up to the protruding ridge on an old pot.

Rephrased, new’s brimful = old’s just into neck.

[jdaw1]

More lids arrived, and screwed on to the 241 pots I am Mr Bucket.

Yes, there are twelve spare lids.

To be allocated:
• 100 for Daniel (plus 5 spare lids);
• 25 for Alex (plus 1 spare lid);
• 25 for Ben (plus 1 spare lid);
• 50 for Phil (plus 3 spare lids);
• 41 for Julian (plus 2 spare lids).

[PhilW]

As mentioned here, some of us need some more bottles (ideally in time for distribution/use on Wednesday next week if that were possible, though this looks unlikely currently). A search for current suppliers has come up with the following:

Requirement:
Material: PET preferred, HDPE acceptable
Size: 50-60ml preferred, 50-80ml acceptable
Neck: Wide neck required

(a) PET, 75ml (€0.70/bottle incl vat & shipping for 100 quantity) here

(b) HDPE, 60ml (£9.55/10 inc vat, plus delivery – except I could collect, if they have them at their head office) here

(c) HDPE, 60ml (£110/48, shipped from US [long]) here

(d) HDPE, 60ml (<£0.30/bottle ex-vat and delivery) here

It is believed that (d) was purchased last time. None of the bottles listed appear to be supplied pre-sterilised as far as I can tell, though they are all pharmaceutical-grade. Of these (b) and (c) seem too expensive by comparison to the other options, leaving (a) (slightly larger but PET) vs (d) (better size but HDPE); I would be happy with either (personally minor preference for the PET bottles, perhaps, despite the slightly larger size).

Two questions for all, therefore:
(i) Does anyone know of other sources which should be considered? (if so please post links)
(ii) If an order for bottles were to be placed tomorrow (though with no guarantee of delivery prior to Wednesday's tasting), would anyone want some and if so how many? (please post quantity wanted; I would take 50-100)

[CPR 1]

Phil

If you place an order I am up for 25 - 50 please

[jdaw1]

Last time we paid £53.89 for 241 of them, from www.ampulla.co.uk. If you buy a similar quantity they will be distributed quite easily.

[flash_uk]

I'll take 50 please. Slight preference for d, on the basis that the dimensions are more suitable for packing 14 in a wooden wine box.