2011 Declarations

Post by **jdaw1** » 08:11 Tue 21 May 2013

AHB wrote:a Quinta da Dona Matilde 2011 port from Barao de Vilar.

The list already has a ‟BarÃ£o de Vilar”: is the ‟Quinta da Dona Matilde” different, or the same with more accurate naming?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 13:44 Tue 21 May 2013

Corney & Barrow full offer here.

They think the Nacional will be £300 a bottle:

"Quinta do Noval Nacional ”“ price yet to be fixed but it is in the region of £300 / case of 1ib"

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:05 Tue 21 May 2013

Corney & Barrow scores:
• 19 Graham
• 19 Taylor
• 19 Taylor Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha
• 18¾ Graham The Stone Terraces
• 18¾ Fonseca
• 18¾ Niepoort's Bioma Vinha Velha
• 18 Warre
• 18 Churchill
• 18 Sandeman
• 17¾ Niepoort
• 17½ Cockburn
• 17½ Ferreira
• 17 Vesuvio
• 17 Offley
• 16¾ Dow
• 16¾ Croft
• 16¾ Quinta do Noval
• 16½ Pintas
• 16 Skeffington
• 15¾ Quinta Vale Dona Maria
• 15½ Smith Woodhouse

Discuss!

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:09 Tue 21 May 2013

jdaw1 wrote: • 16¾ Quinta do Noval

Seems surprising

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:22 Tue 21 May 2013

I haven’t yet tasted the Noval, but Dow was my favourite non-special-cuvée. Yet:

jdaw1 wrote:• 16¾ Dow

Croft is also surprisingly dis-favoured.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:34 Tue 21 May 2013

jdaw1 wrote:I haven’t yet tasted the Noval, but Dow was my favourite non-special-cuvée. Yet:
jdaw1 wrote:• 16¾ Dow
Croft is also surprisingly dis-favoured.

I agree with you about the Dow. I don't recall tasting the Croft. Smith Woodhouse is completely beyond the bounds of acceptability it seems.

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:56 Tue 21 May 2013

djewesbury wrote:Smith Woodhouse is completely beyond the bounds of acceptability it seems.

Corney & Barrow wrote:Our tasting notes provide full details but, at your request, we have also introduced a clear and simple marking system. We hope these guidelines assist you in your selection.
14-16 A very good to excellent wine.
16-18 An excellent to outstanding wine.
18-20 An outstanding to legendary wine.
•Wines are judged within their peer group.
• A definitive score of a young wine is almost always impossible. We usually offer a 'spread' (e.g. 14-16) which relates to the potential to achieve a higher mark. A ‘+’ adds further to that potential.
• A score is a summary only. The devil is in the detail, so please focus on the tasting notes.

So C&B think SW11 (a Battersea and Clapham Junction Port) to be almost excellent.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 15:11 Tue 21 May 2013

You imply that they will be drinking a lot of Noval in Arnos Grove... And quite a bit of Warre in Notting Hill. These seem equally believable.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 16:51 Tue 21 May 2013

jdaw1 wrote:Corney & Barrow scores:
• 19 Graham
• 19 Taylor
• 19 Taylor Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha
• 18¾ Graham The Stone Terraces
• 18¾ Fonseca
• 18¾ Niepoort's Bioma Vinha Velha
• 18 Warre
• 18 Churchill
• 18 Sandeman
• 17¾ Niepoort
• 17½ Cockburn
• 17½ Ferreira
• 17 Vesuvio
• 17 Offley
• 16¾ Dow
• 16¾ Croft
• 16¾ Quinta do Noval
• 16½ Pintas
• 16 Skeffington
• 15¾ Quinta Vale Dona Maria
• 15½ Smith Woodhouse

Discuss!

An interesting write-up of the C&B tasting - which was conducted blind - has been posted here.

Query whether C&B's final scores were also composed blind....

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 22:36 Tue 21 May 2013

Interesting as my score right now on the Dow's would be in line with theirs. I wasn't too impressed at this young stage. But time will tell if its just a youthful awkward stage (as i suspect) or not.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:39 Tue 21 May 2013

Andy Velebil wrote:Interesting as my score right now on the Dow's would be in line with theirs. I wasn't too impressed at this young stage. But time will tell if its just a youthful awkward stage (as i suspect) or not.

That is interesting; it showed well in London and was quite fine...

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:15 Tue 21 May 2013

Posted this in another thread but thought it should be repeated here too. Just to say that Fine + Rare have a good price on Niepoort 11 if anyone hasn't already bought it.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 13:20 Wed 22 May 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:a Quinta da Dona Matilde 2011 port from Barao de Vilar.
The list already has a ‟BarÃ£o de Vilar”: is the ‟Quinta da Dona Matilde” different, or the same with more accurate naming?

I am told that they are different blends from different vineyards. Interestingly Barao de Vilar have recently bought the Feuerheerd name and might be releasing a 4th blend under that name in future years.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 13:22 Wed 22 May 2013

AHB wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:a Quinta da Dona Matilde 2011 port from Barao de Vilar.
The list already has a ‟BarÃ£o de Vilar”: is the ‟Quinta da Dona Matilde” different, or the same with more accurate naming?
I am told that they are different blends from different vineyards. Interestingly Barao de Vilar have recently bought the Feuerheerd name and might be releasing a 4th blend under that name in future years.

While we're at it, is Maynard not a BarÃ£o de Vilar brand? Should that be nested under BdV in the first post?

gerwin.degraaf · Post by **gerwin.degraaf** » 20:59 Wed 29 May 2013

uncle tom wrote:2011 TFP release prices now received.

Packing formats available:

12 x 37.5cL
12 x 75cL
6 x 75cL
6 x 150cL
1 x 300cL
1 x 600cL

Skeffington will only be available in 6 x 75cL & 12 x 75cL, VVV will only be available in 3 x 75cL

Prices are per 9L case. Prices for 300cL and 600cL format include a 10% surcharge.

Prices are IB from TPS, offer closes mid July.

Taylor - £456.00/cs (300cL - £167.20, 600cL - £334.40)

Taylor VVV - £1226.64/cs ( = £306.66 for 3 x 75cL)

Fonseca - £456.00/cs (300cL - £167.20, 600cL - £334.40)

Croft - £364.80/cs (300cL - £133.76, 600cL - £267.52)

Skeffington - £228.00/cs

Hi Uncle Tom,

I've sent you a (actually two) PM, about the VP's that I would be interested in, if it is possible to arrange a pick-up moment for me (since I'm from The Netherlands, and would like to come over to the UK to pick them up at some point.
Best regards!

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 19:46 Fri 31 May 2013

If anyone sees an offering for Graham's in double magnums, please let me know. USA shipping preferred, but I could probably also arrange to store a purchase in the UK to be picked up at an unspecified later date if necessary.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 14:07 Wed 10 Jul 2013

Some more confirmed declarations, confirmed non-declarations and a limited release declaration.

Declared:
Alves de Sousa
Dalva
Duorum
Quinta da Romaneira
Quinta da Senhora do Convento
Quinta de Vale da Dona Maria
Quinta de Vale Meao
Rozes Quinta do Pego

Vinko - Companhia de Vinhos declared the following three labels:
Quinta Dona Matilde
Maynards
Barao de Vilar
Vinko also own Feuerheerd but did not declare a 2011 Feuerheerd vintage port

I am told that there was a limited amount of Quarles Harris 2011 made to order for a specific customer in the US. This is not going to be offered as a general release.

Confirmed as not declared:
Heredias (only made the Senhora do Convento label)
Quinta Nova do Nossa Senhora do Carmo

Please could the owner of the first post of this thread update that first post.

Thanks JDAW!

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 14:19 Wed 10 Jul 2013

do we typically include SQVP as part of 2011 declarations?

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:31 Wed 10 Jul 2013

First post updated. Please check.

In thirty years we will want to do a proper horizontal of this vintage, and with so many small-volume declarations that will be impossible.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:33 Wed 10 Jul 2013

The Wine Society are apparently going to offer a TWS SFE blend. Is that likely to be a Quarles Harris by another name? Or a custom blend?

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:36 Sat 13 Jul 2013

Readers of this thread might be interested in a proposed horizontal to be held on Sunday 23rd April 2051.

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:00 Sun 14 Jul 2013

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=58791#p58791]Here[/url] djewesbury wrote:I mentioned Crasto. I intend to get hold of this in the Douro in September. I notice that it is not included in the list of 2011 Vintage Ports declared to which JDAW linked above..

Added.

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:26 Sun 14 Jul 2013

Is it ‟Offley”, or ‟Offley Boa Vista”?

(Same image, copied from sograpevinhos.eu to jdawiseman.com)

I think Offley Boa Vista.

Post by **PhilW** » 14:54 Sun 14 Jul 2013

jdaw1 wrote:I think Offley Boa Vista.

+1.
As far as I'm aware, all VP from Offley is marked Offley Boa Vista (all bottles from 1947 for which I have label images to hand would appear to confirm this).

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 09:22 Thu 18 Jul 2013

Comparing the list of 2011 vintage ports tasted at the IVDP's presentation in Oporto a couple of weeks ago to the list published on the first post of this thread, I note that the following producers presented their wines but do not appear on our list of declarations (yet).

Bulas
Cruz
Pocas
Presidential (which was shown in addition to the Dalva!)
Quinta Casa Amarela
Quinta da Prelada
Quinta das Carvalhas (which could be the Royal Oporto that we have listed, or has Carvalhas been sold?)
Quinta de Valle Longo
Quinta do Sagrado
Quinta do Vallado
Quinta Seara D'Ordens
Vieira de Sousa
Vista Alegre

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