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Post by jdaw1 » 12:40 Wed 01 Aug 2007

Patrick Wilkinson wrote:You probably think I’m mad making a port offer in the middle of summer but

1963 34 cs Cockburn £720 dp/doz
1967 4 cs Cockburn £560 dp/doz
1963 84 cs Croft £720 dp/doz
1963 2 cs Quinta do Noval £740 dp/cs
2000 6 botts Quinta Do Noval £440 dp/doz
1970 1 cs Fonseca £1100 dp/doz
1975 1 cs Fonseca £300 dp/cs
1983 3 cs fonseca £450 dp/cs
1985 4 cs Fonseca £540 dp/cs
1966 9 cs Graham £1200 dp/cs
1970 7 botts Graham £900 dp/doz
1977 1 cs Graham £660 ub/cs
1977 15 cs Graham £680 dp/cs
1983 1 cs Graham £440 dp/cs
1985 3 cs Graham £480 ub/cs
1977 1 cs Offley-Boa Vista £440 dp/cs
1963 2 cs Sandeman £740 dp/cs
1985 2 cs Sandeman £290 dp/cs
1994 4 cs Sandeman £280 dp/cs
1985 1 cs Smith Woodhouse £330 dp/cs
1963 1 cs Taylor £1440 dp/cs
1970 11 cs Taylor £880 dp/cs
1985 11 cs Taylor £500 ub/cs
1970 1 cs Warre £690 dp/cs
1977 1 cs Warre £595 dp/cs
1983 2 cs Warre £370 ub/cs
1985 5 cs Warre £400 ub/cs
1997 6 botts Warre £240 dp/doz

All wines are offered subject to remaining unsold.

Patrick Wilkinson
Wilkinson Vintners Ltd
38 Chagford Street
London NW1 6EB

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Feel free to re-use this thread with other like offers.

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Post by uncle tom » 21:14 Wed 01 Aug 2007

If it's not a typo - that's an awful lot of Croft '63...

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Post by jdaw1 » 00:14 Sat 04 Aug 2007

Piers Methuen of [url=http://www.es-finewines.com/]Elliston Fine Wines Ltd[/url] wrote:We are extremely pleased to offer you a magnificent College cellar of vintage port whoose bottles and cases have laid undisturbed for decades. The cellar includes an extraordinary 44 cases of Taylor 1970 all in original wooden cases!

1 btl Graham 1912 £395.00 each 5 star vintage MB

1 btl Cockburn 1927 £595.00 each
Medium-tawny, very little red and with an overall brown tinge, sweet, meaty but low keyed. Nice texture, excellent condition.
5 stars MB

3 btls Graham 1945 £715.00 each
What the '48 has in power the '45 has in finesse. It is still very concentrated but extremely well balanced and mellow. Medium ruby with a garnet edge, ripe plum aromas, medium-bodied, with plenty of elegant, delicate plum flavors and a balance of rounded tannins on the finish. Will improve with age. 95/100 JS

3 btls Sandeman 1945 £525.00 each
It can't get much more enjoyable that this. The color is youthfully ruby-garnet, while the nose shows intense aromas of boysenberries and almonds. Full-bodied, with very focused, sweet fruit flavors, great concentration and a silky mouth-feel. 95/100 JS

2 btls Taylor 1945 £595.00 each
Nearly as sublime as the '48, this is a majestic wine in its own right, with a superb concentration of fruit and a firm structure. Deep, dark ruby with a garnet edge, ripe raisin, almond and cedar aromas, full-bodied, with masses of ripe grape and almond flavors and medium tannins that tickle your palate on the finish. Built to age for centuries but amazing to drink now. 97/100 JS

1 btl Cockburn 1947 £495.00 each
Fairly pale, little red though pipnk/red highlights. Pure liquorice, texture, dry finish, delicious aftertaste. 3 stars MB

2 btls Fonseca 1948 £595.00 each
This is astonishingly youthful; it could almost pass as a barrel sample on the palate. The perfect Port? Deep ruby with a slight garnet edge, rich aromas of violets and fruit, extremely full-bodied, with plenty of violet and fruit flavors, full tannins and a long, balanced finish. Can drink now, but it will age for decades. 100/100 JS

6 btls Graham 1948 £725.00 each
Great class and power. This is an example of how great the '48s are. Youthful medium ruby with a slight garnet edge, a nose of licorice and ripe plums, with lavish, sweet plum flavors and a firm tannic backbone. There is a wonderful depth of racy fruit here. Good now but will improve. 95/100 JS

6 btls Fonseca 1955 £300.00 each
A big wine with tons of rich, luscious fruit. Deep ruby color, with a very ripe, perfumed nose, full-bodied, with great depth of silky berry flavors and a very long finish. 96/100 JS

4 cases Graham 1955 £3595.00 case
One of my all-time favorite ports. Fully mature, a light spicy bouquet that opened up magnificently. Still very sweet, delicious flavour, glorious length. Perfection. 5 stars MB

1 btl Quinta do Noval Nacional 1955 £995.00 each
A serious wine. At 25 years of age less intense than anticipated. Very rich, liquorice nose, sweet, fullish, marvelous flavour and character. Should be excellent now. 4 stars MB

2 cases Taylor 1955 £2850.00 case
Still fairly deep-coloured, a vast, deep, high-toned, spicy nose, fairly sweet, full-bodied, packed with fruit, extract, tannin and acidity. 4 stars MB

2 cases Quinta do Noval 1960 £550.00 case
Palish, mature, tangy, attractive nose, still fairly sweet, medium weight, rather idiosyncratic spicy violets flavour. Acidity noticeable.
3 stars MB

2 cases Cockburn 1963 £795.00 case
Palish, luminous, low-keyed at first but opened up fragrantly, lean dry finish but overall appealing. Good length. 4 stars MB

5 cases Fonseca 1963 £2100.00 case
Fonseca is one of the great port lodges, producing the most exotic and most complex port. If Fonseca lacks the sheer weight and power of a Taylor, Dow or Warre, or the opulent sweetness and intensity of a Graham, it excels in its magnificently complex, intense bouquet of plummy, cedary, spicy fruit and long, broad, expansive flavors. With its lush, seductive character, one might call it the Pomerol of Vintage ports. When it is young, it often loses out in blind tastings to the heavier, weightier, more tannic wines, but I always find myself upgrading my opinion of Fonseca after it has had 7-10 years of age. The 1963, one of the great modern-day classics of vintage port, is an incredibly aromatic, sublime, majestic port that simply defines Fonseca's style perfectly. 96/100 RP

1 btl Quinta do Noval Nacional 1963 £2750.00 each
This wine is so incredibly youthful, it is hard to believe it isn't a '85. Still inky black in color, with fresh grapy, earthy aromas, extremely full-bodied, with thick, tough, intense grapy flavors, full tannins and a tight finish. It still seems closed and dumb. Best from 2000. 100/100 JS

6 cases Offley 1963 £450.00 case
Colour medium-deep, very good bouquet, touch of liquorice, sweet, nice weight, spicy. 4 stars MB

2 cases Warre 1963 £1095.00 case
Extremely impressive, with beautifully balanced, harmonious sweet fruit on the palate. Medium ruby-red, ripe cherry and cassis aromas, medium-bodied, with rich, velvety fruit flavors, full, soft tannins and a powerful finish. 92/100 JS

1 case Croft 1966 £680.00 case
Very elegant in the classic, understated Croft style. Medium red with a ruby center and an earthy, roasted, cherry nose, medium-bodied, with firm tannins and an abundance of licorice and berry flavors. 90/100 JS

3 cases Dow 1966 £1290.00 case
This is an extremely racy and totally harmonious VP, with wonderfully fresh aromas of flowers, fruit and berries. Full-bodied, with a sweet yet firm palate. Long, long finish. Super. Drink now. 94/100 JS

6 cases Fonseca 1966 £1295.00 case
This is still a monster that needs time. Deep ruby, with a ripe, meaty cassis and berry nose, full-bodied, with tons of velvety fruit flavors, full tannins and a very long finish. Can drink now. Best after 1994. 97/100 JS

2 cases Taylor 1966 £1195.00 case
Substantial, mature-looking, high-toned bouquet with touch of liquorice. Sweet, lovely flavour, slightly hot finish. Most recently, surprisingly little red, rich fully evolved, good flesh and flavour. 5 stars MB

6 btls Cockburn 1970 £45.00 each
This is ripe and ready to drink. It is slightly more forward than many of the '70s from the other top houses. Medium ruby-red, with rich aromas of cherry and marzipan, medium-bodied, with ripe cherry flavors, balanced tannins and a solid finish. 86/100 JS

10 cases Dow 1970 £770.00 case
I have always been a fan of this very fine and well-made Port. Truly balanced in character, with focused flowers, spice and cherry. Full-bodied, with a sweet palate and a fine texture. Drink now. 94/100 JS

2 cases Graham 1970 £895.00 case
This is an extremely full-bodied, powerful wine, but it still retains a classy balance. Deep ruby, with chocolate and berry aromas, full-bodied, with anise and dried cherry flavors, full, hard tannins and a long finish. Good now but a few more years of bottle age would improve it. Best from 1990. 94/100 JS

44 cases of the fabulous Taylor 1970 at £960.00 case
This house must certainly be the Latour of Portugal. Their ports are remarkably backward yet still impressive when young. Of all the vintage ports, those of Taylor need the longest time to mature and even when fully mature seem to have an inner strength and firmness that keep them going for decades. Their tawnys are also among the very best, though somewhat expensive. The 1970 fabulous, a broodingly dense-colored, backward port that has all the signs of future greatness. 96/100 RP

1 case Croft 1977 £340.00 case
Croft never seems to get much publicity since the wines, while always very good, sometimes even excellent, never quite reach the superb level of the top houses in Oporto. However, Croft seems to do surprisingly well, often rivaling the top ports, in the less glamorous vintages such as 1975 and 1966. Both the 1975 and 1977 are rich, creamy, intense ports that should be fully mature within 10-12 years, relatively soon for a port. 88/100 RP

3 cases Dow 1977 £650.00 case
Big and as hard as nails. Loads of raspberry and fruit aromas, with a green stem edge. Full-bodied and sweet, with an iron backbone of acidity. Long finish. Still needs time. Best from 2002 through 2012. 94/100 JS

2 cases Fonseca 1977 £1095.00 case
Until recently this wine was understated and closed. Now it has opened into a mammoth wine with so much fruit that it crushes your palate. Deep ruby, with ripe raspberry and cherry aromas, full-bodied, with layers of concentrated, sweet raspberry flavors, tons of tannin and an incredibly long finish. Perhaps as great as the '48. Best from 1998 through 2000. 100/100 JS

6 cases Graham 1977 £680.00 case
Graham is another great port house, producing one of the deepest-colored and sweetest styles of vintage port. Along with Taylor and Fonseca, Graham has probably been the most consistent producer of great port in the post- World War II era. Their tawnys are quite good rather than exceptional, but their vintage ports are truly sublime and sumptuous. 93/100 RP

3 cases Taylor 1977 £825.00 case
There is an explosion of fruit and tannins in the mouth but at the same time this wine is in total harmony. Deep dark ruby, with blackberries and violets on the nose, full-bodied, with masses of blackberry flavors, full, hard tannins and a very long finish. Will age for decades. 98/100 RP

3 cases Warre 1977 £495.00 case
This house makes rather restrained yet rich, flavorful vintage port and a very good tawny called Nimrod. Their vintage ports seem slow to develop, and while they never quite have the voluptuous richness of a Dow, Graham, or Fonseca, they have a unique mineral-scented character that gives them their own complexity and style. The 1977 is quite powerful, very deep and intense, particularly for Warre. 92/100 RP
Great stuff indeed.

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Post by jdaw1 » 12:51 Mon 15 Oct 2007

Patrick Wilkinson wrote:We have delighted at list below our full vintage port stocks which include two additional cellars purchased and collected last week.

ALL WINES ARE IN STOCK and IMMEDIATELY available

1963 20 cs Cockburn £720 dp/cs
1963 53 cs Croft £720 dp/cs
1963 2 cs Dow £1050 dp/cs
1963 3 cs Quinta do Noval £740 dp/cs
1963 2 cs Taylor £1500 dp/cs
1963 1 cs and 5 botts Warre £980 dp/cs
1966 8 cs Graham £1100 dp/cs
1967 3 cs Cockburn £595 dp/cs
1970 3 cs Taylor £980 dp/cs
1977 1 cs Fonseca £975 dp/cs
1977 10 cs Taylor £795 dp/cs
1977 2 cs Warre £595 dp/cs
1980 6 cs Taylor £430 dp/cs
1983 7 cs Dow £380 ub/cs
1983 1 cs Graham £420 ub/cs
1983 22 cs Quarles Harris £230 ub/cs
1983 4 cs Smith Woodhouse £330 dp/cs
1983 7 cs Taylor £425 dp/cs
1983 28 cs Warre £365 ub/cs
1985 3 cs Cockburn £280 ub
1985 14 cs Dow £400 ub/cs
1985 9 cs Gould Campbell £260 ub/cs
1985 10 cs Graham £500 dp/cs
1985 41 cs Offley Boa Vista £245 ub/cs
1985 53 cs Quinta do Noval £280 ub/cs
1985 35 cs Sandeman £285 ub/cs
1985 4 cs Smith Woodhouse £295 ub/cs
1985 11 cs Taylor £500 ub/cs
1985 51 cs Warre £380 ub/cs
1991 5 cs Gould Campbell £195 ub/cs
1991 29 cs Dow £260 ub
1991 62 cs Graham £290 ub/cs
1991 37 cs Quinta do Noval £210 ub
1994 1 cs Graham £345 dp/cs
1994 75 cs Offley Boa Vista £195/cs
1994 4 cs Sandeman £280 dp/cs
1994 34 cs Warre £290 ub/cs

All wines are offered subject to remaining unsold.

E and O.E
Very best wishes
Patrick
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Wilkinson Vintners Ltd
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London NW1 6EB
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So he has sold 31 of the 84 cases of Croft 1963.

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Post by jdaw1 » 01:47 Thu 25 Oct 2007

Piers Methuen of [url=http://www.es-finewines.com/]Elliston Southwick Fine Wines[/url], which has a terrible website riddled with needless non-functioning scripts, wrote:1 bottle Quinta Noval Nacional 1963 £2750.00 100/100
9 magnums Fonseca 1970 vintage port £250.00 each 96/100
20 cases Grahams 1970 vintage port x domaine £995.00 96/100
10 cases Dow 1970 Vintage Port £775:00 94/100
5 cases Taylor 1970 Vintage Port £960:00 98/100
Not cheap.

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Post by Overtired and emotional » 21:46 Thu 25 Oct 2007

If the Elliston offer really is the result of a college selling its whole cellar, then, well, I'm lost for words. That cellar has been lovingly built up over decades by a succession of dons, and now it is dissipated in one fell swoop. Wine cellars are the backbone of a college, not the snotty undergraduates who pass in and out. The College has no right to sell off such assets. They may as well sell off the chapel to become a Wetherspoons, and turn the library into a KFC.

That is the most depressing thing I have read all week.

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Post by Conky » 22:06 Thu 25 Oct 2007

Good Rant! :D

Now your a proper member.


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Post by uncle tom » 00:06 Fri 26 Oct 2007

If the college Dons are succombing to the notion that bottled Evian is better than Old Port, then wait for market overload - big time..!

However, these prices are silly, and the ancient colleges have little history of knee-jerk reaction.

Best response is: Do nothing - don't even make a bad offer.

Let them stew. There's an awful lot of fine wine tucked away - don't let them think they can cash in easily on the back of a passing fad..

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Post by Overtired and emotional » 13:11 Fri 26 Oct 2007

True enough, this sort of thing can benefit us, but I'm still upset. This is how the fabric of society crumbles.

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Post by Conky » 15:16 Fri 26 Oct 2007

John,

I've mentioned elsewhere that I like occasionally retiring to the wooden paneled Members Lounge at my Golf Club, to get away from things and put the world to rights. I'm outraged that this Government has banned Cigar smoking in such places...but thats another rant for another day.
Anyway, your 'Society crumbling' comment takes me back to a few years ago, in that very location, when Cricket happened to be on the tv near the fire. My lot were chunnering about some golfing point, wondering how long we could make the afternoon last.
Well watching the cricket intently, was one of our older duffers, resplendent in blazor and club tie, whisky and small bottle of water at hand. Well this silver haired man, known as a perfect gentlemen, had hardly said a word, and was more like part of the furniture. Suddenly, there was a challenge on one of our batsman, by a group of over-zealous Australians. After a while, the umpire, who was English and did look intimidated, gave it, which seemed to suggest we were about to lose this particular Test.
Our poor Duffer went positively puce! He stood up glaring at the tv, and shouted, 'This bloody country is ruined. It all started when they stopped wearing flannels!' and with that, he stormed off. We made sure he had left the Clubhouse before the whole room errupted with laughter.

It would appear there are many ways in which the fabric of Society crumbles. :shock:

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Post by jdaw1 » 18:21 Fri 26 Oct 2007

Aabalat Fine & Rare Wines wrote:$899 each 1Ã 1931 Rebello Valente Vintage Port
$938 each 2Ã 1935 Cockburn's Port
$1230 each 1Ã 1942 Graham Vintage Port Victory Year
$1875 each 2Ã 1945 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port
$1063 each 6Ã 1945 Warre Vintage Port
$1875 each 4Ã 1948 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port
$850 each 1Ã 1952 Niepoort Port Colheita
$688 each 6Ã 1955 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port
$695 each 1Ã 1957 Niepoort Port Colheita
$295 each 1Ã 1962 Niepoort Port Colheita
$119 each 1Ã 1963 Feuerheerd Vintage Port
$135 each 2Ã 1963 Martinez Vintage Port
$250 each 2Ã 1963 Niepoort Port Colheita
$250 each 2Ã 1963 Niepoort Port Colheita
$185 each 65Ã 1963 Cockburn's Port
$185 each 39Ã 1963 Croft Vintage Port
$175 each 1Ã 1963 Croft Vintage Port
$378 each 86Ã 1963 Graham Vintage Port
$185 each 23Ã 1963 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port
$378 each 60Ã 1963 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port
$316 each 155Ã 1963 Warre Vintage Port
$595 each 1Ã 1964 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port Nacional
$160 each 1Ã 1966 Gould Campbell Vintage Port
$131 each 1Ã 1970 Graham Vintage Port
$159 each 1Ã 1970 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port
$103 each 24Ã 1970 Cockburn's Port
$191 each 36Ã 1970 Dow Vintage Port
$625 each 7Ã 1970 Fonseca Vintage Port, magnums
$266 each 113Ã 1970 Fonseca Vintage Port
$222 each 235Ã 1970 Graham Vintage Port
$253 each 437Ã 1970 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port
$191 each 60Ã 1970 Warre Vintage Port
$94 each 2Ã 1972 Offley Vintage Port Boa Vista
$300 each 1Ã 1975 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port Nacional
$1000 each 1Ã 1975 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port Nacional
$238 each 48Ã 1977 Fonseca Vintage Port
$144 each 48Ã 1977 Warre Vintage Port
$125 each 1Ã 1979 Niepoort Port Colheita
$60 each 1Ã 1980 Quarles Harris Vintage Port
$25 each 3Ã 1982 Hardys South Australia
$129 each 4Ã 1982 Niepoort Vintage Port
$49 each 1Ã 1982 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port
$25 each 1Ã 1982 Real Vinicola Vintage Port
$59 each 2Ã 1983 Gould Campbell Vintage Port
$79 each 1Ã 1983 Warre Vintage Port
$141 each 36Ã 1983 Cockburn Port
$97 each 60Ã 1983 Dow Vintage Port
$118 each 42Ã 1983 Fonseca Vintage Port
$110 each 18Ã 1983 Graham Vintage Port
$98 each 24Ã 1983 Warre Vintage Port
$395 each 1Ã 1984 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port Nacional
$58 each 1Ã 1985 Graham Vintage Port, half bottle
$69 each 1Ã 1985 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port
$32 each 5Ã 1985 Royal Oporto Port
$91 each 22Ã 1985 Dow Vintage Port
$144 each 108Ã 1985 Fonseca Vintage Port
$144 each 48Ã 1985 Graham Vintage Port
$35 each 2Ã 1987 Churchill's Port Agua Alta, half bottle
$60 each 1Ã 1990 Quinta do Vesuvio Vintage Port
$129 each 1Ã 1991 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port Quinta de Vargellas
$275 each 1Ã 1992 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port
$60 each 3Ã 1994 Quinta do Passadouro Vintage Port, magnums
$81 each 8Ã 1994 Warre Vintage Port
$35 each 4Ã 1995 Smith-Woodhouse Vintage Port Madalena
$78 each 12Ã 1995 Quinta do Vesuvio Vintage Port
$103 each 41Ã 1997 Fonseca Vintage Port
$66 each 200Ã 1997 Quinta do Vesuvio Vintage Port
$55 each 104Ã 2000 Croft Vintage Port
$206 each 1Ã 2000 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port, magnums
$60 each 4Ã 2000 Warre Vintage Port
$37 each 194Ã 2003 Croft Vintage Port, half bottle
$69 each 58Ã 2003 Croft Vintage Port
$50 each 64Ã 2003 Delaforce Vintage Port
$85 each 12Ã 2003 Fonseca Vintage Port
$60 each 24Ã 2003 Gould Campbell Vintage Port
$85 each 21Ã 2003 Quinta do Noval Vintage Port
$46 each 16Ã 2003 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port, half bottle
$181 each 131Ã 2003 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port, magnums
$91 each 55Ã 2003 Taylor Fladgate Vintage Port

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Post by AHB » 23:11 Fri 26 Oct 2007

jdaw1 wrote:
Piers Methuen of [url=http://www.es-finewines.com/]Elliston Fine Wines Ltd[/url] wrote:6 btls Graham 1948 £725.00 each
Great class and power. This is an example of how great the '48s are. Youthful medium ruby with a slight garnet edge, a nose of licorice and ripe plums, with lavish, sweet plum flavors and a firm tannic backbone. There is a wonderful depth of racy fruit here. Good now but will improve. 95/100 JS

1 btl Quinta do Noval Nacional 1955 £995.00 each
A serious wine. At 25 years of age less intense than anticipated. Very rich, liquorice nose, sweet, fullish, marvelous flavour and character. Should be excellent now. 4 stars MB
The recent new postings here caused me to go back to re-read some of the original comments from Piers Methuen. Roy recently made a comment about retailers simply quoting tasting notes to support their offers and these are two horrific examples of exactly that sort of practice but taken to an extreme.

The Grahams 1948 that I tasted recently was a lovely wine - but there is no way on this Earth that it will improve. This was an elderly wine, tertiary and elegant but at its plateau if not declining gently. I haven't bothered to get my copy of Suckling's book out to look up whether this tasting note was lifted from his book or not, but if it was then it is 17 years out of date.

I have never tasted the Nacional 1955 (and didn't even realise that Noval had made one that year) but to quote a tasting note from 1980 for a wine being offered for sale 27 years later is disingenuous in the extreme. Personally, I find it insulting to be treated in this way. Surely you can give the people likely to buy these ports some credit for knowing the wines on offer.

OK. Rant over.

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Good rant. Good place to put it.

Post by jdaw1 » 23:54 Fri 26 Oct 2007

Good rant. Good place to put it: I send retailers a link to this thread. Maybe they will heed.

And Seely did say at the Wilkie tasting that there were Nacionals from 1955 onwards, as well as the famous 1931.

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Post by uncle tom » 00:29 Sat 27 Oct 2007

Almost all Suckling's notes were made in an orgy of research at the end of the 80's - they are not only hopelessly out of date, but he is also a lightweight as an authority - IMO...!

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Post by AHB » 00:52 Sat 27 Oct 2007

jdaw1 wrote:And Seely did say at the Wilkie tasting that there were Nacionals from 1955 onwards, as well as the famous 1931.
He did, but for some reason I had it in my mind that 1955 had been missed out.

We also tasted the 1947 Nacional, which identity I was able to confirm from the reconstructed cork :D

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Post by DRT » 15:39 Sat 27 Oct 2007

I agree with Alex on the point that this is misleading but it could be resolved by the merchants if they quoted the source and date of the TN. I think the TN's are useful so long as the reader knows when they were written and by whom.

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Post by jdaw1 » 22:21 Tue 30 Oct 2007

George Rhys of [url=http://www.es-finewines.com/]Elliston Southwick Fine Wines[/url], which has a terrible website riddled with needless non-functioning scripts, wrote:2 cases Fonseca 1970 £950:00 case
2 cases Taylor 1977 £895:00 case
1 case Fonseca 1997 £500:00 case
1 case Taylor 1997 £525:00 case

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Post by jdaw1 » 14:01 Wed 31 Oct 2007

Patrick Wilkinson wrote:1963 16 cs Cockburn £720 dp/cs
1963 62 cs Croft £720 dp/cs
1963 2 cs Quinta do Noval £740 dp/cs
1963 1 cs and 5 botts Warre £980 dp/cs
1966 6 cs Graham £1100 dp/cs
1967 3 cs Cockburn £595 dp/cs
1970 1 cs Fonseca £1100 dp/cs
1970 1 cs Graham £900 dp/doz
1970 1 cs Quinta do Noval £440 dp/cs
1970 3 cs and 8 botts Taylor £980 dp/cs
1975 2 cs Dow £280 dp/cs
1977 10 cs Dow £580 ub/cs
1977 6 cs Fonseca £975 dp/cs
1977 2 cs Warre £595 dp/cs
1980 2 cs Taylor £430 dp/cs
1983 7 cs Dow £380 ub/cs
1983 22 cs Quarles Harris £230 ub/cs
1983 3 cs Smith Woodhouse £330 dp/cs
1983 3 cs Taylor £425 dp/cs
1985 3 cs Cockburn £280 ub
1985 1 cs Croft £275 dp/cs
1985 14 cs Dow £400 ub/cs
1985 2 cs Gould Campbell £260 ub/cs
1985 1 cs Graham £500 dp/cs
1985 41 cs Offley Boa Vista £245 ub/cs
1985 54 cs Quinta do Noval £280 ub/cs
1985 35 cs Sandeman £285 ub/cs
1985 15 cs Taylor £500 ub/cs
1985 49 cs Warre £380 ub/cs
1991 29 cs Dow £260 ub
1991 15 cs Dow £281 dp/cs
1991 6 cs Graham £315 dp/cs
1991 35 cs Quinta do Noval £210 ub
1994 75 cs Offley Boa Vista £195/cs
1994 34 cs Warre £290 ub/cs

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Warre’s Otima 10 year old Tawny
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Post by mosesbotbol » 16:53 Wed 31 Oct 2007

When in doubt, leave no review. Anyone interested in such wines already knows what they are like and/or could care less what someone else said about them. I don't need a review to know a 63 Croft is good.

Overtired and emotional
Taylor’s LBV
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Post by Overtired and emotional » 18:58 Wed 31 Oct 2007

Alan has established beyond all reasonable doubt that I have become a grumpy old man.

But on the other hand, if Uncle Tom knows where an 'orgy of research' takes place, may I join in?

John

Conky
Fonseca 1980
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Post by Conky » 19:09 Wed 31 Oct 2007

An 'Orgy of Research' into Port! That does sound rather good, doesn't it. That could challenge my TN phrase 'Fairies dancing on your tongue'

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Alan

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jdaw1
Taylor 1900
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Benchmark Wine: port for sale

Post by jdaw1 » 18:09 Fri 02 Nov 2007

[url=http://www.benchmarkwine.com/]Benchmark Wine[/url] of California wrote:Royal Oporto 1939 ~ 2 @ $697
Taylor Fladgate 1975 ~ 1 @ $89
Warre Quinta da Cavadinha 1992 375ml ~ 2 @ $52 WS91
First time I’ve ever seen a 1939 for sale.

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g-man
Quinta do Vesuvio 1994
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Hart davis auction

Post by g-man » 21:48 Fri 02 Nov 2007

Thought you guys might be curious some of the prices. (including buyers prem)

Highlights
1851 Warre no label, into Neck - $1673
1900 Sandeman 2 btl lot - base neck/ VHS no labels - 1553$
1908 Cockburn - base neck / no label - 1553$
Mag 1912 Dow - top shoulder, no label - 1912$
1920 Fonseca 2 btl lot- no label base neck - $1792
1935 Sandeman - perfect bottle - $454
1945 Grahams - base neck, no label - 1015$

Mixed Lot, 1970 Warre Vintage Port (1 b); 1975 Taylor Vintage Port (1 b); 1977 Taylor Vintage Port (2 bs); 1977 Fonseca Vintage Port (1 b); 1977 Fonseca Vintage Port (1 b); 1977 Taylor Vintage Port (1 b); 1977 Taylor Vintage Port (1 b); 1977 Taylor V - 1553$

Mixed Lot, 1994 Dow Vintage Port (9 hbs); 1994 Taylor Vintage Port (2 hbs); 1994 Graham Vintage Port (3 hbs); 1994 Warre Vintage Port (3 hbs); 1994 Cockburn Vintage Port (4 hbs); 1994 Taylor Vintage Port (1 hb); 1994 Warre Vintage Port (2 hbs); - 1314$

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Luc
Graham’s The Tawny
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Post by Luc » 01:59 Sat 03 Nov 2007

Conky wrote:An 'Orgy of Research' into Port! That does sound rather good, doesn't it. That could challenge my TN phrase 'Fairies dancing on your tongue'

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Alan
I'll attend only If they serve peanut butter paté & Port . :roll: :roll:

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jdaw1
Taylor 1900
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Benchmark Wine: port for sale

Post by jdaw1 » 01:05 Tue 06 Nov 2007

Benchmark Wines wrote:Port
Dow Port 1994 ~ 1 @ $79 RP96, WS97
Fonseca Port 1977 ~ 1 @ $175 WS100, MB****
Fonseca Port 1985 ~ 3 @ $80 RP95, WS95, MB****/*
Fonseca Port 1994 1.5L ~ 1 @ $345 WS100, Decanter*****

Sauternes
d`Yquem 1971 ~ 1 @ $589 WS93, RP92, MB**** great color and fill
d`Yquem 1988 ~ 1 @ $435 RP99
d`Yquem 1989 ~ 2 @ $415 RP97, WS97, ST97, MB****/*
d`Yquem 2000 ~ 6 @ $299
Except that I’ve just volunteered to lighten their stock of the F77 and F85s.

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