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2005 Declarations

Posted: 16:54 Tue 10 Jul 2007
by uncle tom
The following information was gleaned from the infoportwine site
  • Bucheiro
  • Burmester
  • Churchill Gricha
  • Conceito
  • Crasto
  • Croft Roeda
  • Dow Bomfim (added 28-Jun-2016 when seen for sale at Duty Free in Oporto airport)
  • Dow Senhora da Ribeira
  • Ervamoira from Ramos Pinto
  • Fonseca Panascal
  • Fonseca Guimaraens
  • Graham Malvedos (added 20-Jun-2017 when drunk at the Graham Lodge in Oporto)
  • Kopke
  • Krohn Retiro Novo
  • Messias
  • Niepoort
  • Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo
  • Noval Silval
  • Passadouro
  • Pintas
  • Pocas Junior
  • Quevedo
  • Real Companhia Velha (added 28-Jun-2016 when seen for sale at Duty Free in Oporto airport)
  • Real Companhia Velha Quinta das Carvalhas
  • Romaneira
  • Roriz
  • de la Rosa
  • Taylor Terra Feita
  • Taylor Vargellas
  • Vale Dona Maria
  • Ventozelo
  • Vesuvio
  • Vista Alegre (added 27-Sep-2016 when seen on the wine list of the LBV House Hotel)
No sign of Noval (yet) or some of the 'chateau' players like Rosa & Vale Meao. The Symington camp is also looking lean, with no sign of Bomfim, Malvedos or Cavadinha.

Still time for a few more to appear though..!

Tom

Links to other lists of declarations: 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 16:56 Tue 10 Jul 2007
by jdaw1
uncle tom wrote:- Taylor Terra Feita
- Taylor Vargellas
This pair will be appearing in my verticals, starting in about twenty years. An interesting comparison.

Posted: 22:15 Tue 10 Jul 2007
by uncle tom
Taylor have declared Terra Feita and Vargellas for the same year before - I have both from 1996 - we only need to wait another ten years to compare them!

Tom

Posted: 23:08 Tue 10 Jul 2007
by RonnieRoots
I have both from 1995 as well.

The Symington's have made Bomfim, Malvedos and Cavadinha as well, but are keeping them for late release. I kind of like that principle. It provides ports that are entering their drinking window for the market at a reasonable price.

I believe Vale Meao did make a 2005 VP, but I haven't tasted nor seen it, so I'm not sure. I saw on the FTLOP board that Noval will release a Silval bottling.

Posted: 23:32 Thu 12 Jul 2007
by DRT
I find this very strange.

Many of the shippers have made noises about low yields in 2006 as a result of the hail damage so I would have thought everyone would have popped out a 2005 SQVP just in case 2006 turns out to be as bad (in volume terms) as some were predicting.

Derek

Posted: 23:38 Thu 12 Jul 2007
by RonnieRoots
2006 is not only disappointing in volume, but also in quality. I've not heard of one producer that was happy with the quality (of port, wine is another story). And barrel samples that I tasted were much leaner than supposed to. That makes it even more strange that not everyone makes a '05. Maybe the quantities were too low for some? Or too many shrivelled grapes?

Posted: 23:51 Thu 12 Jul 2007
by DRT
Any minute now we can expect Tom to resurect his "7" theory :lol:

Derek

PS: Given the performance of 05 and 06 it looks like the theory will turn into reality :wink:

Posted: 08:59 Fri 13 Jul 2007
by uncle tom
It does now look likely that '07 will only have to be an average year to get a general declaration, which raises the risk of a weak vintage being declared.

That said, there is a big question mark over the ability of the western economies to avoid a major downturn before declaration time in '09.

It is not hard to envisage an underweight vintage being launched at overweight prices in the spring of '09, only to be followed by a market crash that autumn...

On the other hand, if the markets crash first, even a sterling vintage might fail to get declared..

We shall see!

Tom

financial markets consistent with a soft landing

Posted: 13:31 Fri 13 Jul 2007
by jdaw1
Pricing in financial markets is consistent with a high probability of nothing worse than a soft landing. The trouble at mill is only in the over-leveraged parts of the credit market. If you care about details, well, ask. But it would be better not to.

Edit: this side-issue continued in 2005 Declarations backlash.

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 15:57 Fri 04 Mar 2016
by AHB
Around 8 new shippers added to the list on the first post

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 15:14 Sun 13 Mar 2016
by uncle tom
I wrote ( - way back in July '07..)
It does now look likely that '07 will only have to be an average year to get a general declaration, which raises the risk of a weak vintage being declared.

That said, there is a big question mark over the ability of the western economies to avoid a major downturn before declaration time in '09.
Bit prophetic - No?

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 18:19 Mon 14 Mar 2016
by DRT
Perhaps you should change your user name to Nostra-Thomas? :lol:

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 21:29 Mon 14 Mar 2016
by Glenn E.
uncle tom wrote:I wrote ( - way back in July '07..)
It does now look likely that '07 will only have to be an average year to get a general declaration, which raises the risk of a weak vintage being declared.

That said, there is a big question mark over the ability of the western economies to avoid a major downturn before declaration time in '09.
Bit prophetic - No?
About the economics, yes.

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 00:10 Tue 15 Mar 2016
by Andy Velebil
DRT wrote:Perhaps you should change your user name to Nostra-Thomas? :lol:
Where's that ban icon at :roll:

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 17:46 Fri 01 Jul 2016
by AHB
Bomfim and Real Companhia Velha added to the list on the first post after having spotted them at Oporto airport earlier this week

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 08:14 Tue 27 Sep 2016
by AHB
Vista Alegre just added to the list.

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 17:39 Sat 16 Sep 2017
by PhilW
Also Quinta do Bucheiro 2005 VP, noted on St. John's college wine list 2013/14

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 18:54 Sun 17 Sep 2017
by AHB
PhilW wrote:
17:39 Sat 16 Sep 2017
Also Quinta do Bucheiro 2005 VP, noted on St. John's college wine list 2013/14
Thank you - list updated.

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 16:52 Mon 23 Oct 2017
by jmrc
A few more 2005 VP and SQVP:
Conceito
Messias
Krohn
Poças
Ramos Pinto Quinta da Ervamoira
Real Companhia Velha Quinta das Carvalhas

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 16:56 Mon 23 Oct 2017
by jmrc
Ups... Ervamoira from Ramos Pinto was already mentioned ("2005 Declarations" above).

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 21:14 Mon 23 Oct 2017
by AHB
jmrc wrote:
16:52 Mon 23 Oct 2017
A few more 2005 VP and SQVP:
Conceito
Messias
Krohn
Poças
Ramos Pinto Quinta da Ervamoira
Real Companhia Velha Quinta das Carvalhas
Thanks for the additions. Please could you say how you know these ports were released from this vintage? Could you also confirm that the Krohn you've stated is the full blend and not the Retiro Novo that is already on the list?

Re: 2005 Declarations

Posted: 09:44 Wed 25 Oct 2017
by jmrc
I bought these wines at Portuguese wine stores in the last 3 years (they rest in my small wine cellar).
This year Khron made VP and SQVP (and, also, LBV and Colheita) - see Wiese & Krohn old website - http://www.krohn.pt/en/?/datedports#vintage - before this centenary company was acquired by Fladgate.
Conceito Vintage was made (winemaker Rita Marques) with grapes from Quinta do Cabido.