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Re: Crusted port database

Post by JacobH » 09:01 Thu 10 Feb 2011

jdaw1 wrote:Bottle seen during a visit to the Wine Society.
Is it possible to acquire such a bottle?
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by jdaw1 » 15:08 Thu 10 Feb 2011

There are lots of empties around the office, many of which have obviously been there for decades. If your really wanted to acquire the empty, well you could ask. If you want what I would want, the answer is negative. Sorry.

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by JacobH » 15:31 Thu 10 Feb 2011

jdaw1 wrote:If you want what I would want, the answer is negative. Sorry.
Well, although I would also want a tregnum, I'd be happy to settle for a normal bottle...
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by jdaw1 » 16:18 Sat 26 Feb 2011

Kempinski of Amsterdam, catalogue of November 1961, ‟Graham’s crusted Port Vintage 1950”, ‟hoogfijn, liquoreux”, at Æ’11.
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 08:45 Sat 02 Apr 2011

List updated..

..I recently had the chance to try the latest Crusted to be bottled, the Niepoort 2011; with a sample drawn from the feed tank on the bottling line. A good, rich, well rounded wine that should show well after the required bottle aging.

Most of the Niepoort 2007 crusted has now been shipped, and the remaining bottles in the lodge are all spoken for, we were told; so further bottlings would seem likely.

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Post by jdaw1 » 23:13 Tue 19 Apr 2011

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 09:06 Wed 20 Apr 2011

Don't think that qualifies as a crusted, as most of the constituent stock would have become tawnies..

..interesting blend though!

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Post by jdaw1 » 09:19 Wed 20 Apr 2011

I thought likewise (not Crusted, interesting). The double-barrelled name also liked.

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Post by DRT » 09:41 Wed 20 Apr 2011

jdaw1 wrote:The double-barrelled name also liked.
It seems the Port came from a more diverse gene pool than the chairman :lol:
"The first duty of Port is to be red"

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Re: Crusted port database

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The double-barrelled name also liked
Absolutely - One can only assume that a Mr Logan met a Miss Logan and had great aspirations to grandeur!

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by JacobH » 12:30 Wed 20 Apr 2011

Could the blend have been made out of bits floating around J&B’s London cellars rather than out in Oporto? That would mean they could be late-bottled vintage ports rather than tawnies...
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Post by jdaw1 » 20:28 Fri 22 Apr 2011

JacobH wrote:Could the blend have been made out of bits floating around J&B’s London cellars rather than out in Oporto? That would mean they could be late-bottled vintage ports rather than tawnies...
All that we know of this blend was posted above.

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 12:17 Mon 26 Dec 2011

Just when I was beginning to think we knew all of the classic shipper's names who had previously marketed crusted ports, another one has emerged; with my discovery last night of a Quarles Harris 1979 - marketed as a Crusting Port by Edinburgh wine merchants, Cockburn & Campbell

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by RAYC » 12:55 Mon 23 Jan 2012

Graham 2004 Crusted now appears to have been released and put on sale
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by griff » 19:07 Tue 11 Sep 2012

Fonseca 2006 on sale now in the UK.

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 19:31 Tue 11 Sep 2012

Noted.

There seems to be a general slowdown in the release of Crusted. Churchill started selling their 2000 in 2005, but seven years later have not got past 2004, although they told me they bottle every year. Other producers seem to be following a similar trend - no bad thing IMO..
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by DRT » 20:17 Tue 11 Sep 2012

uncle tom wrote:Noted.

There seems to be a general slowdown in the release of Crusted. Churchill started selling their 2000 in 2005, but seven years later have not got past 2004, although they told me they bottle every year. Other producers seem to be following a similar trend - no bad thing IMO..
This is likely to be through an excess of stock/lack of sales rather than an intentional strategy.
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by griff » 07:35 Wed 12 Sep 2012

So long as they keep making it. Would diverting port to the LBV and single quinta ranges be a better revenue earner?

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 10:28 Wed 12 Sep 2012

This is likely to be through an excess of stock/lack of sales rather than an intentional strategy.
Not sure - sales generally are down, but there seems to be increased interest in the Crusted style. There was an upset in the early nineties when the IVDP briefly deleted Crusted as an official style of port, and it may be that companies were releasing bottles early due to a lack of aged stock.

Niepoort sold out on their first bottling in no time at all, once Dirk decided to release it; and they are now taking it very seriously.

It's a pity that the published IVDP data online only gives the most recent data, without any historical data to put it into context. It would be interesting to see some sales graphs, to indicate which styles of port are gaining popularity, and which are in decline.
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by Andy Velebil » 01:18 Thu 13 Sep 2012

uncle tom wrote:
It's a pity that the published IVDP data online only gives the most recent data, without any historical data to put it into context. It would be interesting to see some sales graphs, to indicate which styles of port are gaining popularity, and which are in decline.
Yeap, a shame they don't break it down by actual type of Port (i.e. Crusted, VP, SQVP, Colheita, LBV, etc). I know this would have been a lot of work back in the day but with modern technology it can't be all that hard to compile from producers.

Looking at the recent figures (Jan-June 2012) overall sales of Premium Ports was up 5.5% from last year during the same time period. And Standard Ports up 4.3%

Though in 2011, compared to 2010 figures, there was a 4.3% drop in overall Port sales in 112 markets, yet prices of Euros/Litre went up .3% During this same period Douro AO wine sales increased 2.1% though the average price dropped 1.9%

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 08:20 Thu 13 Sep 2012

a shame they don't break it down by actual type of Port (i.e. Crusted, VP, SQVP, Colheita, LBV, etc).
Actually they do - check out table 13

http://www.ivdp.pt/en/docs/Porto/Table%2013.pdf

All that is lacking is the historical information to tell you where the numbers are heading.
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