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Christopher & Co. Ltd, Summer 1976.
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Christopher & Co. Ltd, Summer 1978.
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Hiscox & Co., Wine & Spirit Dealers, of 146 Upper Shirley Road, Shirely, Croydon, Surrey.
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Post by JacobH » 22:47 Thu 25 Nov 2010

jdaw1 wrote:Christopher & Co. Ltd, Xmas 1930.
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The ‟Princess” Port is quite interesting; we usually assume that a Crusted Port is made out of youngish vintages to produce (as the catalogues frequently say) a cheaper form of Vintage Port. But there is no reason why they could not, instead, make a premium version with older vintages, to produce a ruby version of an aged and blended tawny Port...
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Post by jdaw1 » 10:37 Fri 26 Nov 2010

Not Crusting, nor the side-discussion of LBV, but nonetheless, from the May 1986 Trade catalogue of Christopher & Co., the ‟best sort of officers’ mess-night” port. (Best sort of officers? Best sort of mess night? Best sort of port? Presumably British Army, so the first is assumed, and the third might be tricky to justify. So let’s assume the second.)
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Hatch Mansfield, September 1976.
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Size; No in case; Under 3 cases; 3 to 6; 7 to 12; 13 to 24; 25+.

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Post by jdaw1 » 23:22 Sat 27 Nov 2010

Summer 1970, R. S. Don Ltd., on subsequent page describing themselves as ‟associated consultants of Christie's”.
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R. S. Don Ltd., 1968/1969.
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Post by jdaw1 » 01:05 Sun 28 Nov 2010

George Hill Ltd Price List wrote:Churchill's Crusted - bottled 2000/01 (2 years blended together, then bottled)

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Post by jdaw1 » 00:15 Mon 29 Nov 2010

M W Gilbey, Wholesale Wine List, Autumn 1981
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Post by jdaw1 » 01:08 Wed 08 Dec 2010

Winter 1964/65, from Edwin Giddings Ltd
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As usual, ‟*Bottled in Oporto”.

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 22:22 Thu 09 Dec 2010

The references to the Fonseca/Guimaraens Q. Mileu '58 in the Christopher catalogues are intriguing..

A '63 bottling was offered in '64, but in '65 the bottling was listed as '62..

Am I correct in thinking that neither catalogue used the terms 'Crusted' or 'Late bottled vintage', and that the Wine Society retains its place for bottling the same wine in 1964 (in the UK as opposed to Oporto) and then being the first merchant to offer the product as 'Late bottled vintage' in the spring of the same year?

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PS: List updated - Fonseca '06 also added, as Cookie and I were offered it in VNG recently.
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Post by Andy Velebil » 02:27 Fri 10 Dec 2010

uncle tom wrote:The references to the Fonseca/Guimaraens Q. Mileu '58 in the Christopher catalogues are intriguing..

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This is a bottle that is for sale in the US right now, a store has it for $100. I've been sent pictures which are clearly stated "Late Bottle Vintage" on the original label. I've thought about getting one just for curiosity, but at that price I keep spending the money on other older VP's that are a better bet*

*meaning, I know them to be drinking very well and I have no idea how well an old abscure LBV is holding up in a year not known for being great overall.

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 10:24 Fri 10 Dec 2010

which are clearly stated "Late Bottle Vintage" on the original label
Is this a UK (Wine Society) bottling, or an Oporto bottling?

- can you post the pics?

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Post by Andy Velebil » 16:18 Fri 10 Dec 2010

Opps, darn memory wasn't spot on yesterday, it says "Late Bottled 1964" and it's from Avery's.
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Andy Velebil wrote:Opps, darn memory wasn't spot on yesterday, it says "Late Bottled 1964" and it's from Avery's.
And it has an embarrassingly prominent spelling error on the label.

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by DRT » 01:28 Sat 18 Dec 2010

"The first duty of Port is to be red"

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 09:53 Sat 18 Dec 2010

From what Dirk said the other night, I think the Niepoort 2005 previously recorded was 2005 juice bottled in 2007, so one and the same.

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Post by DRT » 11:29 Sat 18 Dec 2010

uncle tom wrote:From what dirk said the other night, I think the Niepoort 2005 previously recorded was 2005 juice bottled in 2007, so one and the same.
That makes it a Vintage Port. I wonder why Dirk chose not to have it approved and released as a VP?
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The Army & Navy Co-Operative Society, April 1875:
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The Army & Navy Co-operative Society, March 1908:
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Re: Crusted port database

Post by DRT » 09:04 Tue 28 Dec 2010

jdaw1 wrote:The Army & Navy Co-operative Society, March 1908:
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This is Colheita, not Crusted.
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Post by jdaw1 » 09:36 Tue 28 Dec 2010

DRT wrote:This is Colheita, not Crusted.
Yes, but as the thread had expanded into a discussion of the inventor of LBV, I thought that this modest further expansion might be of interest.

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Re: Crusted port database

Post by uncle tom » 10:35 Tue 28 Dec 2010

This is Colheita, not Crusted
I think at the time it would have been known as a 'Refreshed Tawny' - the permitted term today for a 40yr+ tawny blend is 'Very Old Tawny'

Colheitas have to be from a single harvest.

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