For me that's not even a choice.AHB wrote:I recently was faced with a choice, with limited funds available to me, would I like 1 bottle of Nacional 1966 or 4 bottles of Fonseca 1966.
No question: 4 x F66 >>> 1 x NN66.
For me that's not even a choice.AHB wrote:I recently was faced with a choice, with limited funds available to me, would I like 1 bottle of Nacional 1966 or 4 bottles of Fonseca 1966.
What if you could find someone who was willing to pony up more then you paid for your F66 so that you could sell 3 of them for 1 NN 66?Glenn E. wrote:For me that's not even a choice.AHB wrote:I recently was faced with a choice, with limited funds available to me, would I like 1 bottle of Nacional 1966 or 4 bottles of Fonseca 1966.
No question: 4 x F66 >>> 1 x NN66.
Roy has a good point on true scarcity. Dom and Cristal command high prices as well and they produce well over 10K cases year. I think Dom is 100K+ case (I could be way off). I venture to say that 1994 Nacional will increase to a higher percent of original price in 30 years than any other port of the same vintage.Roy Hersh wrote:A fun thread.
My point is that AXA has brought a total reversal of fortune to Quinta do Noval in general, and Nacional in particular. DRC is pricey too, but there is a reason ... scarcity. This is not the same as "perceived scarcity" of Chateau Latour or Haut Brion that routinely make 10,000+ cases in a fine vintage like 1982, 1989/'90, 2000 or even 2005.
Nacional is a VP that is the result of extraordinarily low yields and more so ... 200-250 cases produced for the entire world.
according to wiki, 5mm bottles of Dom P a year which comes to 420k cases. My god, I'm never buying dom p at those prices again.mosesbotbol wrote: Roy has a good point on true scarcity. Dom and Cristal command high prices as well and they produce well over 10K cases year. I think Dom is 100K+ case (I could be way off). I venture to say that 1994 Nacional will increase to a higher percent of original price in 30 years than any other port of the same vintage.
Let's put it this way - I lost out on NN70 at $350/bottle because I just couldn't bring myself to pay that much when I could get T70 for half that price. And yes, I was fully aware at the time that $350/bottle was less than half the going rate in the US of closer to $900/bottle. I finally did convince myself to order the bottles, but due to a foulup at the store I didn't get them. (They sold the same bottles twice, and either mine was the second order or the other buyer was a walk-in and bought my bottles out from under me before they could be shipped.)g-man wrote:What if you could find someone who was willing to pony up more then you paid for your F66 so that you could sell 3 of them for 1 NN 66?Glenn E. wrote:For me that's not even a choice.AHB wrote:I recently was faced with a choice, with limited funds available to me, would I like 1 bottle of Nacional 1966 or 4 bottles of Fonseca 1966.
No question: 4 x F66 >>> 1 x NN66.
Would you still want 4 F66 or 1 F66 and 1 NN66
Prosecco is the way to go; I brought a half-case to a party and everyone complimented me on bringing the best bubbly they'd had in years.g-man wrote:My god, I'm never buying dom p at those prices again.
nownow, let's not step too far =) ... a fine bubbly does have its place in my cellar =)SushiNorth wrote:Prosecco is the way to go; I brought a half-case to a party and everyone complimented me on bringing the best bubbly they'd had in years.g-man wrote:My god, I'm never buying dom p at those prices again.
I will happily turn myself in for said rehab under the fine supervision of the Port Doctors in residence here on this forum!A Good Nose wrote:Separarely and far more significantly: we should all be concerned about Glenn E.'s 'judgement of Paris'... Hilton. His proposition that she could be a "good to very good model" is deeply troubling, I think a spell in Port rehab is neccessitated - otherwise he might be on the slippery slope to a life of Blue Nun excess and coke in his Lafite
A fine attempt, David. I will add you to the list of people who have tried to muscle in on my pride and joyA Good Nose wrote:Therefore, I would like to petition my new friends on Port Forum to endorse 'elitism and exclusivity', after all, though we may not be able to afford to fill our own cellars with such fine wines...we probably all know a Derek Turnbull in our own neighbourhood... a jolly good friend whose generosity is unsurpassed and frequent dinner invitations are totally irresistable and compelling I for one am looking forward to sharing that particularly fine 63' Derek
The conviviality of the evening made every wine magical by the close..But at the end of the night Tom, we could clearly see the magic out of Nacional.
Don't you mean "we"?AHB wrote:I can confirm that Noval shipped an 1958 Nacional - I was with Derek when he drank the bottle and I have another locked away safely for some future date.
I am in complete agreement Axel. I just wish that I had the funds to make it justifiable in my case. When trying to rationalise the value equation, I suppose I am expressing a form of jealousy... in that if I can't afford it, I need to project madness upon those lucky enough to be able to acquire them. The quality need only go up very fractionally once you get to the level of very fine ports for it to be very worth while. Once you add in the subjectivity of knowing that you are drinking something very special, thereby most likely enhancing the pleasure, cost should not be a driving factor. At that stage it should purely be about the pleasure of drinking such wonderful juice.Axel P wrote:I do strongly believe in the idea of Nacional. The Port is always superior to the regular Noval and to most others as well. It is targeting the luxury segment in Port, which many others should do.