"official" Vintage Port map (IVDP)

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"official" Vintage Port map (IVDP)

Post by Axel P » 12:09 Tue 21 Jan 2020

This will lead to some fantastic discussions....
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My little two cents:

* What is the definition of a classic year?
* I am missing 2015.
* 1989 and 1978 - get out of here. I have never drank anything fantastic from these years.
* Back to back years 91/92, 82/83?
* I never heard that anyone said 58, 67 or 87 is a classic year. Although fantastic qualities.
* If one argues that a general declaration comes with the quantitiy or the percentage of producers who bottle, how could 11, 17, 31 or 42 be? - Despite the outrageous quality of these years.

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Post by jdaw1 » 12:53 Tue 21 Jan 2020

1978? 1982? But not 2009?

1989: Axelʼs comment was too gentle.

What data determined 1756 but not 1757? (See TH chapter.)

What data determined 1765?

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Post by Glenn E. » 03:50 Wed 22 Jan 2020

No. Just no. Way too generous. I can't imagine a definition of "classic" that would include 1989 but not 2015. 2009, 1992, 1991, 1987, 1982, 1978, 1967, and 1958 are at best arguable (and to varying degrees of arguable). My experience isn't sufficient prior to 1958 to comment, but I suspect there are more that fit the "arguable at best" category (I'm suspicious of 1947, for example).

I don't think I've ever heard someone argue that 1975 is a "classic" year, and it was at least generally declared.
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Post by PhilW » 07:50 Wed 22 Jan 2020

Can you link the source of the table - in case of any helpful surrounding text describing the criteria used to include a year in the table)?
I suspect, given the obvious anomalies, it might simply be "whichever years I thought should be" per some individual?
Perhaps it's intended as "years VP (ignoring SQVP) was produced by at least N producers"?
Depending on N this might allow for '31, '42, '47, though I can't see 1911 or (worse) 1989 whose inclusion must be a mistake.

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Post by Axel P » 19:58 Wed 22 Jan 2020

https://ivdp.pt/consumidor/vintages for the basic source in Portuguese...
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Post by DRT » 01:58 Fri 24 Jan 2020

The fact that this nonsense was produced by the organisation accountable for ensuring the quality of the produce of the Douro is disturbing. This level of incompetence needs to be driven out.
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Post by Andy Velebil » 04:49 Fri 24 Jan 2020

There was no such thing as a "declared or classic year" prior to WW2. People just made VP when they felt it was good enough to sell to someone. The rest is just picking years out of a hat.

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Post by uncle tom » 09:27 Fri 24 Jan 2020

2009 is a huge omission - 2015 is also notably missing.
And 1989? - no way - a very minor year..
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