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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by uncle tom » 08:50 Sat 29 Apr 2017

So with the Symingtons, TFP and Sogrape all declaring their SQs for 2015, it now looks certain that we are not looking at a split declaration, but a general declaration for 2016.

- I wonder whether the Symingtons will also declare a 2016 Cockburn?
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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by jdaw1 » 16:33 Sat 29 Apr 2017

The end of the line for the smaller Symington brands: not Smith Woodhouse; nor Gould Campbell; nor Quarles Harris; nor Martinez.

Please post a link for the Sogrape declarations.

Cockburn’s total seems to be 3500+110+33+33⅓ = 3676⅓ dozen.

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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by DRT » 13:17 Mon 01 May 2017

uncle tom wrote:
09:58 Mon 24 Apr 2017
After the 2015 vintage there was general contentment that it was 'good enough' to declare, but there was a lack of real excitement. It was also evident that the four year gap since the 2011 vintage meant that a declaration was needed, and the vintage was being banked as a declaration long before the 2016 vintage showed its hand.
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So with the Symingtons, TFP and Sogrape all declaring their SQs for 2015, it now looks certain that we are not looking at a split declaration, but a general declaration for 2016.
I suppose time will tell, but given the widespread problems with the 2016 harvest I think it is rather too early to be certain or even hopeful of a general declaration.
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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by uncle tom » 12:15 Tue 02 May 2017

I suppose time will tell, but given the widespread problems with the 2016 harvest I think it is rather too early to be certain or even hopeful of a general declaration.
My reasoning is that if the Syms and TFP were not confident that 2016 would make the grade, they would have declared '15. It does seem likely though, that a 2016 general declaration will have some well known smaller producers absent from the party - some of those who got their spraying regimes awry suffered grievously in 2016.

It is very bad news for a small producer to have to miss a general declaration, or be faced with offering a wine that is going to be severely outgunned by the big names. I do hope that the decision to pass on 2015 was entirely driven by quality, rather than marketing tactics..
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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by Andy Velebil » 15:14 Tue 02 May 2017

uncle tom wrote:
12:15 Tue 02 May 2017
I suppose time will tell, but given the widespread problems with the 2016 harvest I think it is rather too early to be certain or even hopeful of a general declaration.
My reasoning is that if the Syms and TFP were not confident that 2016 would make the grade, they would have declared '15. It does seem likely though, that a 2016 general declaration will have some well known smaller producers absent from the party - some of those who got their spraying regimes awry suffered grievously in 2016.

It is very bad news for a small producer to have to miss a general declaration, or be faced with offering a wine that is going to be severely outgunned by the big names. I do hope that the decision to pass on 2015 was entirely driven by quality, rather than marketing tactics..
I've heard very mixed things about 2015. There were ripening issues due to the overall weather during the year and during harvest. What I've been hearing from a variety of sources, 2015 has turned out not to be anywhere near as good as first expected during harvest and shortly after. Small issues tend to come to the front quickly as they spend a winter or two in barrel.

2016 was difficult due to the start/stop nature of it and the overall slow ripening during the year. However, if one had the patience and resources to wait and pick only those grapes which were ready were rewarded with some awesome musts. It's probably safe to make the assumption that many small producers, who don't have block planting and/or the means to upend their normal picking patterns, ended up with not so good musts from 2016. That's a short and somewhat simple explanation but 2016 really was a year where the larger companies with more resources* have probably turned out far better musts.


*resources include money, labor, ability to pick only small sections of their vineyards when they were actually ripe, then coming back to other sections later, space to ferment and store small lots of musts, etc.

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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by Axel P » 15:13 Wed 03 May 2017

Dont have a link for Sogrape, talking to people.

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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by christopherpfaff » 12:02 Mon 08 May 2017

there was already a lot of talking about the vintageyear 2015.

I talked to

Dirk Niepoort,
Francisca van Zeller &
Tiago Alves de Sousa


some weeks ago and produced a little video with their statements:

https://youtu.be/zomvyFb1WZ4
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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by g-man » 02:01 Wed 10 May 2017

uncle tom wrote:
08:50 Sat 29 Apr 2017
So with the Symingtons, TFP and Sogrape all declaring their SQs for 2015, it now looks certain that we are not looking at a split declaration, but a general declaration for 2016.

- I wonder whether the Symingtons will also declare a 2016 Cockburn?
was just at a 2015's release tasting with Rupert and Charles.

they did tell a story about h ow Cockburn likes to release certain odd years.
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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by g-man » 02:07 Wed 10 May 2017

oh i'll add that the Symingtons gives their warm regards to my fellow forumites.
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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by Axel P » 11:42 Thu 18 May 2017

Although they send out samples, Andresen decided last week not to bottle.

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Post by Axel P » 19:07 Thu 25 May 2017

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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by Axel P » 10:42 Mon 29 May 2017

Just back from the Douro... It seems that some producers are still in line to have their Ports approved. Some even are doing it for the second time. I have some problems with that as all of their 2014 have passed at the first time and are a lot weaker in style.

So we are looking for quite some producers to bottle/ declare soon.

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Re: 2015 declarations

Post by Axel P » 16:27 Mon 29 May 2017

There are two Niepoorts:
Label Niepoort Vintage Port 2015 CS (7).JPG
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