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- 19:00 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Here is a link to the current version of the International Standard for Labelling Wines . The Foreword says this... The present standard is a recommendation from the OIV to the Member States. Its aim is to ease international exchange and to ensure fair information to consumers. It is inspired by the...
- 18:41 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Yeah, good point. I still might, though, just for fun. Maybe next time I'm in Peso da Régua with time to waste I'll stop by. There is a nice little coffee shop just outside where you can wait for a few hours until they come out to tell that they can't give you the answer because it is commercially ...
- 18:27 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
- 18:01 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Where is the law that Glenn is so sure about? Perhaps you might believe that there is enough smoke coming from this gun to allow you to change your opinion... I agree that as far as the IVDP is concerned, SQVP is VP. I also stand by my original assertion that the IVDP doesn't define or regulate the...
- 17:49 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
- 17:35 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Single Quinta Vintage Port These Vintages are unique in that they are not only the product of a single harvest but also of a single quinta, or wine estate, which makes them truly exceptional. We're going round in circles here - that is neither a regulation nor unambiguous. - Where is the law that G...
- 17:00 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
In the absence of finding legislation and regulations setting out the detailed rules I think this statement on the Regulator's website gives us a clear indication of what SQVP is intended to be... Except that no one can find the text of this alleged exception, and we can find the text that says it i...
- 10:56 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Thousands of IVDP regulations, announcements, etc can be accessed here by someone with sufficient knowledge of Portuguese to be able to find them.
- 10:43 Tue 30 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Except that no one can find the text of this alleged exception, and we can find the text that says it isn't allowed. Where does it say it's not allowed? The IVDP website... Single Quinta Vintage Port These Vintages are unique in that they are not only the product of a single harvest but also of a s...
- 22:18 Sun 28 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
My understanding for Scion is that they were pretty sure what it was, but not entirely positive, and that they basically had very little proof (if any at all). But for the Millennium Port, my understanding is that Cristiano knew exactly what it was (an 1880, as I recall), and had sufficient proof, ...
- 18:37 Sun 28 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
On the matter of colheitas I was told some years ago that it is allowable to add a percentage of new wine (IIRC 10%) and I gained the impression that this is fully above board and not covert practice. There is, presumably, a document that lays down what is, and isn't permissible, irrespective of wh...
- 10:32 Sun 28 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
- 23:55 Sat 27 Nov 2021
- Forum: Selling Port
- Topic: Two cases of Graham's 1970 vintage port
- Replies: 6
- Views: 4698
Re: Two cases of Graham's 1970 vintage port
This is a very nice story and very generous of your uncle to gift you such wonderful cases of Port, but I agree with Glenn that your expectations are too high. Asking for current retail price for a private sale is somewhat ambitious. You might fare better offering them at auction.
- 23:23 Sat 27 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Derek is making my point for me. For the Governor's daughter, the Pirate Code is a code, because she is taking the ... rule-bound-law-abiding-English-Governor's-daughter approach. Captain Barbosa, who actually lives the pirate life, interprets the code differently. And, of course, it only applies t...
- 22:57 Sat 27 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Absolutely. I'm not arguing that this is how things are actually done, just that this is how the law says they're to be done. I've had similar discussions with Andy in the past regarding "topping off" or "refreshing" of old Colheitas. He says he's been told that there are except...
- 22:34 Sat 27 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
While it is always with trepidation that I venture into what I think are other people's mutual non-comprehensions, I do think that everyone in this discussion has a point. Portuguese laws on this stuff are a legal code. The code exists and is immutable (until changed). But, there is a certain latit...
- 22:51 Fri 26 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
I think we could ponder this entomological question for quite some time but the absolutely plain fact is that in the Douro region, and most if not all of modern day Portugal, a "Quinta" is a farm. In the Douro most of them farm grapes and make Port or wine. SQVP comes from one property (wi...
- 11:59 Fri 26 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
- 17:18 Wed 24 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
I think you're misreading it. "Or wine estate" seems to me to be explaining what a "Quinta" is. I read it as "not only the product of a single harvest but also of a single quinta, i.e., a wine estate". Exactly right. That sentence is setting out the two conditions that...
- 15:01 Wed 24 Nov 2021
- Forum: Travel
- Topic: Coffee in Vila Nova de Gaia
- Replies: 5
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- 14:51 Wed 24 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
The quinta names are brand names and need to be seen as brand names more than geographic constraints. Not historically, and not according to current Portuguese law. In layman's terms if it says "Quinta" on the label, the wine must come from the quinta in question. If you are arguing that ...
- 18:33 Sat 20 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
- Replies: 128
- Views: 18971
Re: Is the secondary market price for Port changing?
Graham's Malvedos was a second label Port for decades. It didn't become a single-quinta Port until, IIRC, 1998 or 1999. Malvedos has been regularly bottled as an SQVP since 1950, but is not often seen prior to '61 Malvedos was originally used as a brand name by Graham with much of the wine coming f...
- 13:22 Wed 17 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Grahams 1983 cork...
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2180
Re: Grahams 1983 cork...
The Symington's now have a policy of re-corking almost everything that they release late from their cellars. If your cases were released from their cellars in the past five years or so they were more than likely re-corked.
- 03:18 Wed 17 Nov 2021
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: ‘Young Harvest’ Port proposals
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2475
Re: ‘Young Harvest’ Port proposals
Porto Nova (forgive my Portuguese if I get that wrong!) "Porto" is a masculine noun in Portuguese, so "new Port" would be "Porto Novo". Young Port would be Porto Jovem. Bloody hell, I'm not needed here :shock: My Portuguese isn't that good! I'm pretty sure that Will's ...
- 19:28 Tue 16 Nov 2021
- Forum: Site Stuff
- Topic: ThePortForumRed update
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- Views: 7615
Re: ThePortForumRed update
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