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- 11:04 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Corrections and Comments
This thread contains the text of the chapter on Port in George Saintsbury’s book Notes on a Cellar-Book , as typed by jdaw1. There will doubtless be errors in the typing, and readers may well have other comments. Please post corrections and comments in the thread Notes on a Cellar-Book: Corrections...
- 11:03 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port List, continued
For Port red Port, as one of the earliest celebrants after the Methuen treaty no less justly than emphatically calls it, White Port being a mere albino is incomparable when good. It is not a wine-of-all-work like Sherry Mr. Pendennis was right when he declined to drink it with his dinner. [ William ...
- 11:03 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port List, continued
(Notes on Port List.) It should be observed that the relative frequency with which the names of shippers occur does not invariably involve a higher estimate on my own part, owning to the fact noticed in the chapter on the subject, of the partiality of some wine merchants for some shippers. This is ...
- 11:02 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port List
I subjoin a list of the ports in my cellar at different or the same times. SHIPPERS AND YEARS Cockburn Dow Croft Sandeman 1851 1870 1875 1863 --81 --78 --85 --67 --84 --87 --87 --70 --90 --90 --94 --72 --96 --96 1900 --73 1900 --99 --04 --78 1904 --81 --87 Martinez Warre Graham --90 1880 1878 1881 -...
- 11:01 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port, continued
So no more, save a postscript, of ‘the Englishman’s wine’ ; though I should like to talk of a curious Dow, as deep in colour as a wine bottled at thirty months, but otherwise completely ‘tawny’ in character ; of the ’04’s and their wonderfully rapid development (some of which a friend gave me at Bel...
- 11:01 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port, continued
On another point of interest, the possession of so large a number of different vintages and shipments enables one to give a pretty well-based opinion ; and that is the extreme uncertainty of the keeping qualities even of a fortified wine like port. I have already hinted, and may now state more preci...
- 11:00 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port, continued
One of the results of this extensive and continuous ‘sampling’ was the conclusion that the exclusive devotion of some wine-merchants to particular shippers is rather a mistake, and that the superior position accorded in the market to some of these shippers Cockburn and Sandeman especially—is not un...
- 11:00 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
- Replies: 15
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port, continued
Between 1895 and 1915 I collected in this way small lots of most of the best back-vintages from ’70 onward, with a few older still : and laid down a dozen or two of several sorts of the best that followed from ’96 to ’08 (I had bought but not cellared ’11 before I gave up housekeeping). At one time ...
- 10:59 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port, continued
I found out, at any rate, or chose to find out, that it did me none, or si peu que rien , and regretted my precipitancy in getting rid of the ’78 and ’81. But in ten years I had three house-moves and no good cellar ; so that I simply used up what wines I had got and supplied deficiencies for immedia...
- 10:59 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port, continued
However, other people had to be provided for, and I did not myself practise total abstinence. I seem, from menus preserved, though the book was in suspense, to have trusted chiefly to three kinds, no one of which perhaps would have been highly esteemed by a person who went by common opinion, but whi...
- 10:58 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port, continued
For some years, however, after the book was started I did not drink much port, being in the heat of my devotion to Claret or Burgundy after dinner. I cannot find that I ever possessed any ’54, which, though not a large or very famous vintage, some not bad judges ranked with ’51 itself, but I have re...
- 10:57 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Port
CHAPTER III PORT That port should follow sherry is, or ought to be, to any decent Englishman, a thing requiring no argument. My cellar, if not exactly my cellar-book (which, as has been said, did not begin till some years later), was founded in this eminent respect on a small supply of 1851 (I think...
- 10:56 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: This Text
Following the precedent set in the typing of Vintagewise , throughout the text, grey square parentheses [] indicate a comment by the typist. Links are, of course, added by the typist. Footnotes, shown in the original at the foot of the page, are instead are indicated with a † , and, in small type , ...
- 10:55 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book: Corrections and Comments
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Notes on a Cellar-Book: Corrections and Comments
This thread contains the text of the chapter on Port in George Saintsbury’s book Notes on a Cellar-Book , as typed by jdaw1. There will doubtless be errors in the typing, and readers may well have other comments. Please post corrections and comments in the thread Notes on a Cellar-Book: Corrections...
- 10:54 Sun 28 Sep 2008
- Forum: Reference
- Topic: Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
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Notes on a Cellar-Book, by Professor George Saintsbury
There follows the text of chapter III of Notes on a Cellar-Book , by George Saintsbury . The book has been out of copyright for almost five years: Notes on a Cellar-Book was published in London in 1920, having been written by a British author, this text being posted by a British citizen whilst physi...
- 16:19 Sat 27 Sep 2008
- Forum: Meaningless Drivel
- Topic: How to celebrate 20 years of employment....
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2104
Re: How to celebrate 20 years of employment....
Sounds splendid. Only two things wrong:
1. The absence of me;
2. The absence of tasting notes.
One of these can be remedied.
1. The absence of me;
2. The absence of tasting notes.
One of these can be remedied.
- 15:19 Sat 27 Sep 2008
- Forum: Organising Tastings and Get-togethers
- Topic: Ferreira October 17 Vertical/New York City
- Replies: 28
- Views: 23533
Re: Ferreira October 17 Vertical/New York City
Three is quorate. Ferreira, Friday 17th October 2008, chez moi.
Anybody else?
Anybody else?
- 02:44 Sat 27 Sep 2008
- Forum: Organising Tastings and Get-togethers
- Topic: Ferreira October 17 Vertical/New York City
- Replies: 28
- Views: 23533
Re: Ferreira November Vertical/New York City
Tomorrow I’m off to Portugal, so won’t be able to participate actively in the discussion. But I am in town that Friday; my wife is not; so my apartment could be the venue.
- 23:21 Fri 26 Sep 2008
- Forum: Port Tasting Notes
- Topic: 1985 Fonseca
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3799
Re: 1985 Fonseca vintage port
If I didn’t know better I’d think that somebody had just opened a Fonseca 1985.Anybody could have wrote:Good. Huge. Black. Still closed. Needs another decade, when it will be great.
- 07:39 Fri 26 Sep 2008
- Forum: Meaningless Drivel
- Topic: How to celebrate 20 years of employment....
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2104
Re: How to celebrate 20 years of employment....
Enjoy. Steak and kidney is a joy inaccessible this side of the water.
- 03:37 Thu 25 Sep 2008
- Forum: Port Conversations
- Topic: Port for sale by retailer
- Replies: 1539
- Views: 890364
Re: Port for sale by retailer
Benchmark Wine wrote:Barros Vintage Port 1947 ~ 1 @ $419 MB*****
C. DaSilva House Reserve 1944 ~ 1 @ $548
Croft 1963 ~ 1 @ $180 WS91
Dow Quinta do Bomfim 1978 ~ 1 @ $82
Ferreira Quinta do Seixo 1983 ~ 1 @ $150 WS91
Sandeman 1968 ~ 1 @ $171
Warre Grand Reserve Tawny 1968 ~ 2 @ $41
- 02:33 Thu 25 Sep 2008
- Forum: Site Stuff
- Topic: Fair Usage of TPF
- Replies: 12
- Views: 7623
Re: Fair Usage of TPF
I hereby recind my previous statement to the house I don’t think that it is possible to re s cind a statement to the House. One can make a new statement, apologising for previous errors (whether poor public policy, financial indiscretion or a more salubrious ‘misjudgement’), but I don’t think that ...
- 23:28 Wed 24 Sep 2008
- Forum: Organising Tastings and Get-togethers
- Topic: Wednesday October 8, 2008
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- Views: 90918
Re: Wednesday October 8, 2008
Placemats updated to include the two versions of 2007.
- 03:59 Wed 24 Sep 2008
- Forum: Organising Tastings and Get-togethers
- Topic: Ferreira October 17 Vertical/New York City
- Replies: 28
- Views: 23533
Re: Ferreira November Vertical/New York City
Or move it to that Friday 17th October, on which date my wife and child are away so my modest abode becomes a possible venue.
- 23:22 Tue 23 Sep 2008
- Forum: Site Stuff
- Topic: Speed of site response
- Replies: 4
- Views: 5072
Re: Speed of site response
I purged the cache — no don’t ask — and, given the improvement, will henceforth do so more often.