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by Glenn E.
05:56 Thu 23 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

... which brings us back to develops != aging.

The development that occurs in the two different processes is - surprise! - different.

I maintain that since they reach maturity at roughly the same age that they age at roughly the same rate. Logic prevails.
by Glenn E.
21:09 Mon 20 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

LBVs spend 4-6 years in wood to begin their life..... Uh, not all LBV's spend 4-6 years in wood prior to being bottled. We'll do a blind sight test (does that even make sense?) next time and if you can tell me which spent 4-6 years in giant wood vats and which spent 4-6 years in giant steel vats th...
by Glenn E.
22:13 Sun 19 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

LBVs spend 4-6 years in wood to begin their life..... Uh, not all LBV's spend 4-6 years in wood prior to being bottled. We'll do a blind sight test (does that even make sense?) next time and if you can tell me which spent 4-6 years in giant wood vats and which spent 4-6 years in giant steel vats th...
by Glenn E.
23:04 Wed 15 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

I am looking at this in terms of the initial period of maturation. For example: >> 5 years in wood will produce a wine that is red, semi-transparent very approachable >> 5 years in bottle will produce a thick, purple, sticky thing One is clearly developing faster than the other at that initial stag...
by Glenn E.
22:37 Wed 15 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: What have you got open this weekend?
Replies: 31
Views: 644

Re: What have you got open this weekend?

I also still have some S. Leonardo 40-yr old leftover from a week ago. Like 1 glass left. :nirvana: So what have you been drinking all week which has kept you away from the S. Leonardo? (I can't imagine the whole bottle lasting a week otherwise, never mind one remaining glass!) Well it wasn't 1 gla...
by Glenn E.
05:48 Wed 15 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

When port is maturing, does the process go faster in wood than in bottle? I think some of the answers above don't really address the original question, that answer to which is "yes" :wink: I think the discussion indicates that the answer isn't as clear as you make it seem. :wink: What does it mean ...
by Glenn E.
05:38 Wed 15 Mar 2017
Forum: Selling Port
Topic: Looking to sell a case never opened. 1985 Dow not 86
Replies: 13
Views: 222

Re: Looking to sell a case never opened. 1986 Dow

Yeah I've seen prices range for the port I have. Some even in the 70£ but I take it that's new. Keep in mind that listed prices don't necessarily mean sales actually occur at that price. It's generally safest to use the low end of prices displayed on winesearcher.com as those are the bottles most l...
by Glenn E.
22:48 Tue 14 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: What have you got open this weekend?
Replies: 31
Views: 644

Re: What have you got open this weekend?

1997 Souza VP. Not a bad $20 VP Yeah, that's good stuff. I think I liked mine a little more than you liked yours... probably just our usual scoring difference. As I recall I'm usually 2-3-4 points higher than you across the board. I also still have some S. Leonardo 40-yr old leftover from a week ag...
by Glenn E.
22:45 Tue 14 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

Thank you all for some very insightful replies. I read somewhere that the new wine decided for maturation in wood and that for maturation in bottle is chosen due to the wine’s characteristics and expectations. So it is not just making a big batch of wine and then splitting it for wood maturation an...
by Glenn E.
22:42 Tue 14 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

I think the mental block that I'm hitting is equating oxidation with aging. Bottle-matured Port does not really undergo an oxidized aging process while wood-aged Port does. So to then say that wood-aged Port ages faster because it oxidizes more quickly seems... off to me. If a bottle-aged VP were to...
by Glenn E.
22:25 Tue 14 Mar 2017
Forum: Selling Port
Topic: Looking to sell a case never opened. 1985 Dow not 86
Replies: 13
Views: 222

Re: Looking to sell a case never opened. 1986 Dow

Others here might have a better handle on prices but to give you a rough idea, the 1985 Dow (declared year) you could probably pick up at retail for around £60 a bottle. Compare that to something like the 2001 Dow Bomfim which you could pick up for £30. So somewhere between these, recognising that ...
by Glenn E.
01:22 Tue 14 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

Glenn is correct that they age "differently", in that the final product of oxidative and reductive ageing produces different characteristics, but there is no doubt that oxidative ageing produces a "mature" wine faster than the alternative method. I started to say something like this, but then I was...
by Glenn E.
23:49 Mon 13 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»
Replies: 23
Views: 494

Re: «Wood years» vs «Bottle years»

Not to belabor the obvious, but they age differently. So differently that it's difficult to say whether or not one is faster than the other. I guess you could measure it by when each is "ready" to drink or "in its prime" for drinking, but then you'd run into problems trying to define the proper drin...
by Glenn E.
18:13 Mon 06 Mar 2017
Forum: Site Stuff
Topic: Site performance
Replies: 14
Views: 851

Re: Site performance

Amazon S3 brought down parts of the internet last week, could it have been fallout from that?
by Glenn E.
02:07 Sat 04 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Replacing corks
Replies: 41
Views: 1008

Re: Replacing corks

DRT wrote:
20:24 Fri 03 Mar 2017
Ok - I get it. I have been thinking of the corks when I should have been focusing on the bottle. Each cork has the same chance, the bottle is being subjected to multiple chances.
Exactly!

Now go have some Port. I'm drinking 1995 Souza at the moment. :-)
by Glenn E.
20:26 Fri 03 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Ratings and scores
Replies: 6
Views: 154

Re: Ratings and scores

I use words first, then convert those words to numbers. I just find it easier to think "wow, this is excellent!" instead of "hmm... I think this deserves around 90-93 points." Once I have the words I can convert them... basically just like you're doing above. I've also found that having several scal...
by Glenn E.
07:15 Fri 03 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Replacing corks
Replies: 41
Views: 1008

Re: RE: Re: Replacing corks

Put another way - If you tossed a Farthing in 1945 and it landed on tails, what is the probability of a Trump Dollar landing on heads in 2017? Except that isn't the question. First, though, you are correct about DaveRL's scenario. His assumes a fixed set of non-independent corks which is not correc...
by Glenn E.
19:23 Thu 02 Mar 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Replacing corks
Replies: 41
Views: 1008

Re: RE: Re: Replacing corks

(19/20)^20 is ~36% chance that the bottle is still clean after 19 recorkings (20 total counting the original cork) So how does that equate to the original assertion that re-corking a bottle once doubles the chances of it being corked? (19/20)^2 gives a roughly 10% chance that the bottle is corked (...
by Glenn E.
23:22 Tue 28 Feb 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Replacing corks
Replies: 41
Views: 1008

Re: Replacing corks

Put another way:

The chance of any given cork causing the wine to become tainted is independent, but the chance of the wine becoming tainted is cumulative because it doesn't matter which cork causes the problem... corked is corked.
by Glenn E.
23:18 Tue 28 Feb 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Replacing corks
Replies: 41
Views: 1008

Re: Replacing corks

If the average rate of taint is 1 in 20 and you have 20 corks that are precisely average quality then with each re-corking from the same batch the chances increase. First corking is 1/20, second 1/19, third 1/18, etc. (unless one of those is the tainted one) Incorrect. You're describing the wrong e...
by Glenn E.
23:04 Tue 28 Feb 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Replacing corks
Replies: 41
Views: 1008

Re: Replacing corks

When tossed a coin has a 50% chance of landing heads-up. If you toss 19 heads in a row what are the odds that the 20th will be heads? But it only takes one "heads" for the bottle to become corked. If you toss two coins, what are the chances that you will get at least one head? One chance to get TT....
by Glenn E.
01:54 Mon 27 Feb 2017
Forum: Port Conversations
Topic: Replacing corks
Replies: 41
Views: 1008

Re: Replacing corks

When tossed a coin has a 50% chance of landing heads-up. If you toss 19 heads in a row what are the odds that the 20th will be heads? But it only takes one "heads" for the bottle to become corked. If you toss two coins, what are the chances that you will get at least one head? One chance to get TT....
by Glenn E.
22:24 Sun 19 Feb 2017
Forum: Selling Port
Topic: Taylor's very Old Single Harvest Limited Edition 1964
Replies: 3
Views: 193

Re: Taylor's very Old Single Harvest Limited Edition 1964

Hi Donna,

I am the 1964 vintage member to whom DRT refers. I will send you a PM.
by Glenn E.
07:00 Mon 13 Feb 2017
Forum: Meaningless Drivel
Topic: One quiz at a time
Replies: 9138
Views: 199863

Re: One quiz at a time

By road and by rail?
by Glenn E.
19:43 Tue 31 Jan 2017
Forum: Travel
Topic: Winebar in Oproto
Replies: 1
Views: 280

Re: Winebar in Oproto

Next to? Or with a view? Due to the sloped hillsides, you can get some pretty great views without actually being next to the river. The Yeatman is expensive, but has a great view of the river and Pont Dom Luis I. I only ate at the Taylor Lodge before the Yeatman was built, so don't know if the resta...